How do you deal with derision?

[HenrikBP]

If a diver, who I respected and whose skills and diving CV gave weight to his/her opinion, expressed concern for my diving skills and/or safety, I'd perk up my ears and pay full attention.

If Joe Schmoe on some dive boat - or in some dive shop for that matter - started raggin' on me / my choices in diving ... Oh well <shrug> . At least *I* know why I made the choices I did, and what the consequences of those choices are

Henrik

 

[TSandM]

There isn't another term that encompasses this dive philosophy in general...Unified Team Diving would have been good, until someone started an agency with that name!

Unified Team Diving was my coinage, when another board wanted a name for a forum that would include a variety of "DIR-type" approaches . . . it then got co-opted (with anybody asking) and is now polarized, which is a shame.

BTW, LeeAnne nailed it on the intent of my comment which some found offensive. Being an upper middle class white female, prejudice hasn't loomed large in my life (although being a woman in a surgical residency is a way to run into SOME of it) but having an instantly visible marker of being part of a despised diving class has been an eye-opener.

 

[cool_hardware52]

I'm just curious what y'all say and do when you run into this type of reaction.

Long ago I made the decision to limit my concern about the opinion of others to only those people who I have good reason to respect.

Tobin

 

[tomfcrist]

Being an upper middle class white female, prejudice hasn't loomed large in my life (although being a woman in a surgical residency is a way to run into SOME of it) but having an instantly visible marker of being part of a despised diving class has been an eye-opener.

I dont think that GUE/DIR divers are "Despised" per se.....Most people are merely instantly turned off by the Minority of the GUE/DIR divers that are snobby, pushy, eccentric and have nothing better to do than critisize other divers.

 

[Rainer]

Just like GUE/DIR divers are instantly turned off by the even larger group of divers who have nothing better to do than baselessly criticize them?

I dont think that GUE/DIR divers are "Despised" per se.....Most people are merely instantly turned off by the Minority of the GUE/DIR divers that are snobby, pushy, eccentric and have nothing better to do than critisize other divers.

 

[tomfcrist]

True enough Rainer. And I'm sure that neither of us are blind enough to think that those people dont exist on both sides of the fence.

FWIW, I'm not anti-DIR. Then again im not Pro-DIR either. I really could care less how sombody else wants to view diving, but i reserve the right to laugh hysterically when i see a diver in COZ looking like he's about to do a penetration dive on the Doria.

 

[ucfdiver]

TSandM,

FWIW, I find this highly offensive on so many levels. I suspect I'm not the only one. I hesitated writing this, but I'm almost certain you didn't intend to offend as such.

Safe Diving,

Ronald

She stated the obvious, stop trying to hard to be offended, especially when (by your own admission) you know she didn't intend it that way.

 

[stargost]

Sometimes, some Tek divers (DIR equally as not DIR) might be perceived as arrogant. I don&#8217;t think most realize this. And probably in many cases, there is no real intention. It&#8217;s more driven by the knowledge, when people know much more about something and are better at it by experience. It is just facts, for diving as for many other things. Not that it is good in anyway.
Then this become a frustration for some dive-shop owners and instructors, and they might assimilate you are part of this group, even if you are not. As new into DIR, you are an easy victim for vengeance !
It is stupid, but seems to be a situation people could end up with if they let go too much about what they are doing.

For bolt snap or any equipment, just go to Friendly shops, there are a few locally in SoCal that you can call and they ship stuff easily. Or use the online ones too.
For nitrox, just use the shop as a filling station and be low profile, or do the mix yourself.

As a side note/joke, I&#8217;m curious what people at extreme-exposure would say to someone asking for a tank-bang

 

[lowviz]

Well, I suppose I should add the disclaimer that i never got to read that rants. Thanks for bringing that up, because i so often forget about those.

The videos, on the other hand, are quite interesting for me. But I am a newb, so all of it is still very interesting for me, and I think they exhibit far less angst and anger than his internet rants did.

Kate is going to kill me for this post. I just told her that I don't post in the DIR open forum as I'm not GUE anything yet, and thus feel unqualified to post my views.

Tim, as this thread is remaining far more intelligent than another notable one, I'll offer http://www.frogkick.nl/files/george_irvine_dir_articles.pdf as the historical gem that alienated GI3. -scan down to the baker's dozen. Back to "reading the mail."

To his credit, GI3 hasn't said anything this opinionated since. FWIW, we've got better(worse?) than him on the board. Give the guy a break.

Leejnd: Remain the better person (but always allow them catch up to you if they are "big" enough). If not, move on.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

True enough Rainer. And I'm sure that neither of us are blind enough to think that those people dont exist on both sides of the fence.

FWIW, I'm not anti-DIR. Then again im not Pro-DIR either. I really could care less how sombody else wants to view diving, but i reserve the right to laugh hysterically when i see a diver in COZ looking like he's about to do a penetration dive on the Doria.

Why? What concern is it of yours how someone else chooses to dive?

Why do you "reserve the right" to treat someone else in a manner that you don't want them treating you?

Why, if you could care less how someone else wants to view diving, are you even posting in a forum dedicated to DIR?

I see far more people of the anti-DIR philosophy behaving like dicks than I do the other way around ... and it always amazes me when they try to justify it by being "offended" by something someone wrote on the Internet.

Why can't folks just behave like these guys ... who are going on a nice, recreational dive together? The only laughter you'll hear outta these fellows is after the dive, when they're telling their buddies how much fun they had diving together ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)