How Can This Be!

[annie]

Someone posted earlier

>>Divers like this need all the help they can get before they do themselves some serious harm.<<

How can we help them? If they're on a dive and not studying with some instructor who could straighten them out - what are their fellow divers supposed to do? Steve's said they offered advice etc *to no avail*. It's all very well saying some divers put on a front etc because they're intimidated. It's not every intimidated diver which rejects all advice, because they know better - IMO it takes a special brand of stubborness (if that's the right word) to do this.

If I ended up on a dive or even on a boat with someone like this I would avoid them like the plague because I do not want them to ruin my day, force me to rescue them or, at worst, endanger me. I would urge everyone else to do the same, unless you are their instructor or DM. They are a danger and not your responsibility.

 

[SteveDiver]

Someone posted earlier

>>Divers like this need all the help they can get before they do themselves some serious harm.<<

How can we help them? If they're on a dive and not studying with some instructor who could straighten them out - what are their fellow divers supposed to do? Steve's said they offered advice etc *to no avail*. It's all very well saying some divers put on a front etc because they're intimidated. It's not every intimidated diver which rejects all advice, because they know better - IMO it takes a special brand of stubborness (if that's the right word) to do this.

If I ended up on a dive or even on a boat with someone like this I would avoid them like the plague because I do not want them to ruin my day, force me to rescue them or, at worst, endanger me. I would urge everyone else to do the same, unless you are their instructor or DM. They are a danger and not your responsibility.

I agree Annie! What you have stated is wise. This is the lesson that I learned, I will no longer ruin my dive experience in the attempt to assist another especially a stranger who is not open to suggestion. Of course, if someone gets into serious trouble I would never turn my back on them. Next time if this occures I am going to bring it to the attention of the liveaboard crew and they can deal with it. To no avail no matter what I would have done I would have been critized for my actions. I will help those and only those who are receptive. I have learned a lot from many divers and still learn from them to this day. Being receptive to advise/opinions is important to ones education. I wasted a lot of time trying to get through to this lady and when I realized that there is no talking to her I wasted a lot of time watching her to ensure that she did not hurt herself (a babysitter at distance).

 

[NauticalbutNice]

Someone posted earlier

>>Divers like this need all the help they can get before they do themselves some serious harm.<<

How can we help them? If they're on a dive and not studying with some instructor who could straighten them out - what are their fellow divers supposed to do? Steve's said they offered advice etc *to no avail*. It's all very well saying some divers put on a front etc because they're intimidated. It's not every intimidated diver which rejects all advice, because they know better - IMO it takes a special brand of stubborness (if that's the right word) to do this.

That'd be me that said that. How do we help them? Well as a mere Rescue diver I'm not going into Instructor mode. A quiet word might do the trick. But the DM yelling at her? How's that meant to help? Do you really think that someone is going to learn by being yelled at? Or laughed at?

If I ended up on a dive or even on a boat with someone like this I would avoid them like the plague because I do not want them to ruin my day, force me to rescue them or, at worst, endanger me. I would urge everyone else to do the same, unless you are their instructor or DM. They are a danger and not your responsibility.

They may not be my responsibility, but if you dive with me I watch your back. I have dived with some truly AWFUL divers and I think that some of them really can change.

Maybe I'm an optimist....

Nauticalbutnice :fruit:

 

[Diver0001]

I agree Annie! What you have stated is wise. This is the lesson that I learned, I will no longer ruin my dive experience in the attempt to assist another especially a stranger who is not open to suggestion. Of course, if someone gets into serious trouble I would never turn my back on them. Next time if this occures I am going to bring it to the attention of the liveaboard crew and they can deal with it. To no avail no matter what I would have done I would have been critized for my actions. I will help those and only those who are receptive. I have learned a lot from many divers and still learn from them to this day. Being receptive to advise/opinions is important to ones education. I wasted a lot of time trying to get through to this lady and when I realized that there is no talking to her I wasted a lot of time watching her to ensure that she did not hurt herself (a babysitter at distance).

Now you're trying to put yourself across as her knight in shining armor and I can't understand the things you were saying at the beginning of this thread.

Were you laughing at her or not?

How was laughing at her supposed to be helpful? What were you trying so hard to get across to her by doing that? Were you babysitting her or making her the object of your tactless and insensitive ridicule?

If you ask me I think you're trying to spin-doctor your way out of embarrassing yourself with your decidedly unhelpful behavior. I don't buy it. I think you acted shamefully and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

If there is something to be learned from this thread, then I hope you're the one learning it.

R..

 

[SteveDiver]

Now you're trying to put yourself across as her knight in shining armor and I can't understand the things you were saying at the beginning of this thread.

Were you laughing at her or not?

How was laughing at her supposed to be helpful? What were you trying so hard to get across to her by doing that? Were you babysitting her or making her the object of your tactless and insensitive ridicule?

If you ask me I think you're trying to spin-doctor your way out of embarrassing yourself with your decidedly unhelpful behavior. I don't buy it. I think you acted shamefully and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

If there is something to be learned from this thread, then I hope you're the one learning it.

R..

It must be hard to be as perfect as you are. Maybe you should read the entire thread instead of jumping to conclusions. Avoid embarrassement? to whom? a bunch of critics that I will never meet??? If this thread does not offer anything then why do you bother coming back....? The laughing was explained in prior posts. Comprehension is important when reading. One thing I have noticed about all of your posts is that you are GREAT and giving advise and have an answer for everything. Hmmm. Sound familiar? Sounds like the lady on the liveaboard.

 

[Don Burke]

If you ask me I think you're trying to spin-doctor your way out of embarrassing yourself with your decidedly unhelpful behavior. I don't buy it. I think you acted shamefully and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Yep

 

[PRL]

I wonder if anyone saw those certs. It is possible to do a nitrox and rescue dive in aow and get credit for them. I have a feeling that this lady was so new that she was confused about what getting credit for nitrox and rescue ment.

 

[PRL]

I would like to add that I can't believe that so many experienced divers would do so much to turn a new diver away from diving

 

[Don Burke]

I wonder if anyone saw those certs. It is possible to do a nitrox and rescue dive in aow and get credit for them. I have a feeling that this lady was so new that she was confused about what getting credit for nitrox and rescue ment.

I once had an AOW diver ask me what the buttons on the power inflator did.

Little shocks me since.

 

[Aquatic Eagle]

This is too bad. Sometimes people come off arrogant if they are unsure or afraid. Maybe a quiet conversation with her and an offer to help would have made things better.

If I needed some help, I'd hate to be on that boat...

I was going to say the same thing.

Goggles?