Hey Hoover ~ Did you ruin someone's dive?

[dlndavid]

Why anyone would want to buddy up with a vacuum cleaner is beyond me.
But if I had a choice I would go with the Rainbow, it uses water, has no bags to clog, and even smells good when you add scented oils.
But if the Hoover was a Hooter, I might change my mind.

 

[jonnythan]

It based on an unrealistically high gas consumption - not something you calculate based on YOUR sac rate. I should edit my original post.

Right after I posted, I went to the bathroom and realized that on my walk.

Good point.

 

[wolf eel]

What the heck is a hoover ?
And if it is newbie divers then why would you not. I climb with loads of people I have no idea who they are. Un like diving if the person fails to pay attention and i fall I will die or at the very least have to have new dental work done and a cast. In diving we are so safe why would you not want to take people out. ?

 

[H2Andy]

What the HECK is a hoover ?

a Hoover is a famous maker of vacuum cleaners

a hoover is a diver who "sucks" his tank dry in no time at all

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

It based on an unrealistically high gas consumption - not something you calculate based on YOUR sac rate. I should edit my original post.

Not necessarily ... sounds like you're applying a "rule of thumb". Nothing wrong with that, but the definition of rock bottom implies that it's based on the working SAC of you and your dive buddy. If you know that, it is not difficult to calculate a REALISTIC rock bottom for a given depth and a given cylinder.

Depends on whether you want accurate, or simple ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[scuba-sass]

You are a hoover. ... They paid $$$ for the dive trip but you've ruined it for them. Do you feel any responsibility to recompense them?

Considering UP's initial post was directed to hoovers, I find it interesting how few admitted hoovers have replied. Either Noobies/Hoovers are reluctant to post, there are a very small percentage of them on SB, or we have lots of folks here with high opinions of themselves.

As I mentioned before, I have a regular dive buddy, and diving with her is what it's all about for me. Since I'm pretty new, I haven't had occaision to dive with anyone else. (I also haven't been diving for over a year due to fertility treatments, pregnancy and now - lack of time/funds/desire to be away from my bundle of joy.)

Hypothetically, if I was paired with an unknown buddy on a dive trip, I would certainly discuss my experience level, skills etc. ahead of time. I would expect to be paired with someone comparable to me, but would secretly hope to be paired with someone more experienced and willing to share. If that happened, I would do my best to learn from the experience, and express my gratitude at the end of the dive. Depending on how much mentoring I received, I would offer a drink, snack or meal as a friendly thank-you.

Thanks for the interesting thread,
Scuba-sass

 

[SueMermaid]

Ah, I don't so much mind hoovers. I don't see that as a sin. Bad sins to me are not paying attention, ramming into things and people, and being a dork in general. I know a lot of people with the air consumption of a dead person who I would rather die than be buddied with.
I rather like diving with new divers. A few times I have been approached by the DM in a group and asked to hold the hand of someone, and I have always taken that as a compliment. I like to dive with a regular buddy with the same air consumption habits as me, and don't get me wrong, I have had some pretty bad dives because of my other half, but I don't mind occasionally. As so many of you have pointed out, Everyone's a Hoover in the beginning.

 

[android]

OK, a few comments. UP described some Hooverish behavior, but didn't give any empirical evidence of exactly how high a SAC or RMV needs to be to be a fully qualified Hoover.

So, here's my proposal for a strict definition.

A Hoover will suck a AL80 to less than 1000PSI in under 15 minutes at 66fsw.

Mathematically, that means they used 2/3rds of 77cf or about 51.3cf which equates to SAC rate of 1.14 if my figures are right.

What do you guys think?

 

[dilligaf368]

No reason for being paid for neglecting Your part of the dive.....You didn't check His/Her air gauge during the short dive to ensure Your dive would be on schedule???

 

[FatCat]

OK, a few comments. UP described some Hooverish behavior, but didn't give any empirical evidence of exactly how high a SAC or RMV needs to be to be a fully qualified Hoover.

So, here's my proposal for a strict definition.

A Hoover will suck a AL80 to less than 1000PSI in under 15 minutes at 66fsw.

Mathematically, that means they used 2/3rds of 77cf or about 51.3cf which equates to SAC rate of 1.14 if my figures are right.

What do you guys think?

Could you put that in normal figures please. Imperial units give me a migraine. :439: