GUE Fundamentals

[60plus]

Just wondered what this gue stuff is doing on a new / considering diving section - backlate, wings, valve procedures helicopter turnes etc
To me new / consider in should pretty well end at ow cert

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Just wondered what this gue stuff is doing on a new / considering diving section - backlate, wings, valve procedures helicopter turnes etc
To me new / consider in should pretty well end at ow cert

Some open water students are taught in BP/W and are also taught backfinning/helicopter turns in open water (but very few).

I wish I took fundies right after my open water class. In my opinion, finning techniques, trim, proper weighting all belong in open water. Now I don't teach backfinning/helicopter turns unless I get an exceptional student or I become an exceptional instructor (which I currently am not).

 

[Heat Miser]

Some open water students are taught in BP/W and are also taught backfinning/helicopter turns in open water (but very few).

I wish I took fundies right after my open water class. ...

HI Kosta,

I saw from your profile that you got a rec pass, which surprised me because I remember on a past post, you being a big advocate of teaching O/W students in trim ... I think I said I did some of my O/W drills with RAID on my knees and you were surprised.

What was the feedback that you needed to do extra to get a teck pass? Will you go back to get a teck pass?

I did fundies in Mar 2019 ... but in Sydney ( a long way from my hometown Perth) I haven't been able to get back and have a second go for many reasons, the majority COVID related, but I have also found good instructors (outside of GUE). I was scheduled to go to Philippines and have another go, next week, but had to cancel because I just tested positive. I'd like to do it, but there are alot of of other competing diving goals as well.

I watched a You-Tube interview with Gideon Liew, talking about the lack of cross over in GUE and he said something along the lines of, if you can get through Fundies and you have other technical and/or instructor experience you can progress quite quickly through GUE. This statement surprised me, as I wouldn't have thought that was the case looking from outside, I mean having to do Cave 1 & 2 before sidemount for example.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

HI Kosta,

I saw from your profile that you got a rec pass, which surprised me because I remember on a past post, you being a big advocate of teaching O/W students in trim ... I think I said I did some of my O/W drills with RAID on my knees and you were surprised.

What was the feedback that you needed to do extra to get a teck pass? Will you go back to get a teck pass?

I did fundies in Mar 2019 ... but in Sydney ( a long way from my hometown Perth) I haven't been able to get back and have a second go for many reasons, the majority COVID related, but I have also found good instructors (outside of GUE). I was scheduled to go to Philippines and have another go, next week, but had to cancel because I just tested positive. I'd like to do it, but there are alot of of other competing diving goals as well.

I watched a You-Tube interview with Gideon Liew, talking about the lack of cross over in GUE and he said something along the lines of, if you can get through Fundies and you have other technical and/or instructor experience you can progress quite quickly through GUE. This statement surprised me, as I wouldn't have thought that was the case looking from outside, I mean having to do Cave 1 & 2 before sidemount for example.

I missed one dive on Saturday (dive 4) due to a leaking zipper. Sunday I borrowed a dry suit that fit surprising well for off the shelf.

But I had tweaked my back prior to the course and it flared up big time on Sunday. I just couldn't work through the pain to do better.

There's more but I need to run.

 

[ginti]

I watched a You-Tube interview with Gideon Liew, talking about the lack of cross over in GUE and he said something along the lines of, if you can get through Fundies and you have other technical and/or instructor experience you can progress quite quickly through GUE. This statement surprised me, as I wouldn't have thought that was the case looking from outside, I mean having to do Cave 1 & 2 before sidemount for example.

A couple of notes, if you don't mind
1 - many people are NOT interested in crossing over, so they may take fundies and stop there
2 - the people most interested in crossing over are instructors. Given that they dive a lot, for them it is actually easy, except for sidemount and CCR. However, the discussion get complicated here... If you want I can dig a bit more
3 - cross over is actually possible, but you need to find an instructor evaluator

 

[AJ]

I watched a You-Tube interview with Gideon Liew, talking about the lack of cross over in GUE and he said something along the lines of, if you can get through Fundies and you have other technical and/or instructor experience you can progress quite quickly through GUE. This statement surprised me, as I wouldn't have thought that was the case looking from outside, I mean having to do Cave 1 & 2 before sidemount for example.

What he probably meant was: if you take your skills and experience with you while doing Fundies and further, you will only have to learn the specific GUE procedures. Diving is diving, no matter if it's GUE or something else.

You have to do all the training courses to proceed however, no shortcuts. Coming from a non technical background, you will probably need some more time.

 

[Heat Miser]

What he probably meant was: if you take your skills and experience with you while doing Fundies and further, you will only have to learn the specific GUE procedures. Diving is diving, no matter if it's GUE or something else.

You have to do all the training courses to proceed however, no shortcuts. Coming from a non technical background, you will probably need some more time.

yes this is more in line with what he said. I probably editorialised too much

1:03:30 to 1:06:30

 

[Imla]

I’m planing to do the fundamental soon and aiming for tech pass, I don’t own a canister but I have 3 light and all the requirements material for the course. Is canister light still need it in 2024? I couldn’t find it into the class requirement. Thanks!

See Appendix A Standards - Appendix A & B

1. The primary light should consist of a rechargeable battery pack and be fitted with a Goodman-style light handle.
2. When burn time requirements create the need for an external battery pack, it should reside in a canister mounted on the diver’s right hip.

 

[Imla]

So my understanding is the canister is not mandatory for a fundamental?

No. It is not. But you need someting to attach your longhose to, and you need a suitable primary light with a proper goodmanhandle. Talk to your instructor. Ask them if your light is acceptable for the class, or, if it is not, if the instructor has one you can borrow/rent.

 

[Lorenzoid]

No. It is not. But you need someting to attach your longhose to, and you need a suitable primary light with a proper goodmanhandle. Talk to your instructor. Ask them if your light is acceptable for the class, or, if it is not, if the instructor has one you can borrow/rent.

It may be a useful skill to learn to handle the cord of a corded (canister) light and to otherwise become comfortable with a canister light. Even if one owns a cordless light, one may find themselves in the position of needing to borrow a light, and the only light available to borrow may be a canister. I have heard this argument from an instructor, though it was now a few years ago. Perhaps enough people are using cordless lights now that a diver who needs to borrow a light will almost certainly find a cordless light to borrow.

The bottom line is, of course, ask the instructor.