DIR- GUE GUE fundamentals, tec pass?

[wKkaY]

To fail (essentially be dropped by instructor) on day 1 means the student was completely unprepared for the course and would have slowed down the progress of all other students.

Interestingly, in the case of those two, the one who was more diligently and recently practiced failed on day 1, while the other who hadn't dived for a year and left preparations to the last minute made it to day 5.

In the case of the first I think it was one of the first tech passes the fundies instructor handed out so it was a learning experience for him too.

Something else I found out is that GUE instructors can look up their student's past instructor feedback. When I took my tech upgrade I was mortified to hear "so leon said you have poor situational awareness" Instant flashback to my first fundies class not noticing my buddy getting entangled during ascent, the school of sharks in a swimthrough everyone saw except me, etc.

 

[Hartattack]

"GUE instructors can look up their student's past instructor feedback.".[/QUOTE]

Yikes, that's something I did not need to read today.

 

[Hartattack]

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[Hartattack]

But one could argue that half full twin 50's is still more on the back than a 3, or just as much as a single 7 of dil--so there isn't much difference--just bulkier. In all three cases you'd still be adding on a deep BO stage

Sorry for hijack, just trying to wrap brains around the whole Fundies to tech progression, both in its intentions as well as its real-world affects on diving options/practice

I totally understand and its been fun to read. Nevertheless, going from "GUE Tech Pass?" into specific tanks for CCR and bailout procedures was going a little into the weeds IMHO.

 

[Matan]

I bought a rEvo (CCR) and got certified less than a year after I did Fundies. I understand what Jarrod Jablonski and Richard Lundgren are saying about slowing down a bit, by suggesting Tech1 before going onto a CCR, but I live 2,500 miles from Sydney (ie nowhere near GUE) and I'm off to Bikini in 2022 - I'm not going there on open circuit. I need the practice ahead of time, I still dive with a full Ally 80 BO regardless of how shallow, better to be safe than sorry.

well this is a DIR (what's DIR anyway? ) or should I say GUE forum.

I live far away from Italy, yet flew there twice for GUE classes.
Don't justify saving costs/time required to get proper training and get yourself up to a level where you can safely manage the dives you want to do, just because you "won't go there on OC" - that makes sense, but in my opinion - wait a while and get trained properly - you'll enjoy the dives more

I can think of it like that:

1. In GUE - there are no shortcuts.
2. Compared to other agencies - GUE is a shortcut to become a better diver.



Matan.

 

[Colliam7]

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[EireDiver606]

@seeker242 @PfcAJ
You're both right about rec 3 but are coming from different perspectives so there is no way on is right over the other.
I don't agree with rec 3 the same as @PfcAJ because we're looking at it from a technical diving perspective as thats what we'd rather do.
@seeker242 is not wrong about the course either though. If people do not want to take T1, then they can do rec 3. It's not bamboozling as the people who take rec 3 generally don't have T1 in their scope. Although, if someone does use rec 3 as a step up for T1 - its not the wisest decision to make financially but if thats what they want and they can afford it, whats wrong with it? If thy want it, it can't be wrong for them. And even if they don't have a tech pass, they're still probably better than most other agencies at the same level.
Telling everyone a class is useless is correct for certain scenarios but rec 3 isn't made for technical divers (even though it is baby technical diving).

 

[PfcAJ]

“This technical diving class isn’t for technical divers.”

Man it’s gettin weird. 2020 stuff I guess.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

“This technical diving class isn’t for technical divers.”

If we are talking about Fundies, isn’t a recreational course covering propulsion, ascents/descents, trim, proper weighting, DSMB deployment, sharing gas for OOG emergencies, etc.

sounds like OW stuff (okay, let me add AOW stuff for the back finning and helicopter turns) but with stricter criteria.

Am I wrong? I thought this and the other two DIR variants were gatekeeper courses to ensure divers had the proper recreational skills to start technical dive training.

Or am I being pedantic in some way?

I don’t mind being corrected if I’m wrong. Prefer it actually.

 

[Hartattack]

If we are talking about Fundies, isn’t a recreational course covering propulsion, ascents/descents, trim, proper weighting, DSMB deployment, sharing gas for OOG emergencies, etc.

sounds like OW stuff (okay, let me add AOW stuff for the back finning and helicopter turns) but with stricter criteria.

Am I wrong? I thought this and the other two DIR variants were gatekeeper courses to ensure divers had the proper recreational skills to start technical dive training.

Or am I being pedantic in some way?

I don’t mind being corrected if I’m wrong. Prefer it actually.

We were talking about the Recreational Level 3 course for this sidebar.