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I know this,

If I was ever in trouble and needed assistance at 120 feet I would want this diver wearing these gloves and anything else that made him go faster doing the rescue. Not some ego tripping knucklehead with his fingers laced in front of him hoping someone is nearby noticing how percect he is. You should dive with a mirror.

Well, since you played this card....

I've never dived with RJP, but I have a sense of what he's about as a diver from his posts. If he's the diver I suspect he is, his speed would have zero benefit in assisting me. His SA, attentiveness as a buddy, competency in skills and preparedness to assist would win out over someone with webbed gloves or even a scooter (in most scenarios).

I see his posts as poking a little fun, but calling him an ego tripping knucklehead is over the line.
 
Relax Roy,

There is and always be a segment of divers that recoil at any suggestion that challenges their paradym of SCUBA. Personally, I find these narrow views of how a diver must behave pretty humorous.

This old quote may apply: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the pig."


Did you call me a pig? Now where is that button ;)
 
Relax Roy,

There is and always be a segment of divers that recoil at any suggestion that challenges their paradym of SCUBA. Personally, I find these narrow views of how a diver must behave pretty humorous.

This old quote may apply: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the pig."


Haven't you seen Babe Dave? ;) la LA La LAaaaaa
 
...Sorry... stupid comment removed
 
So I'm a knucklehead, or some other swear word for saying this thing has no place in mainstreem scuba? Who's doing the attacking here?

Would I dive with someone wearing these things? Yeah, probably in a quarry or other les challenging environment. But I'd also stay well clear for fear of being swiped across the face with an errant hand.
 
I've just recently read this thread (not all of it since its huge, just the first and last page, yes, I know, I´m lazy...)

I've alwyas been taught to use my arms as little as I can when diving, and have been telling so to every friend that started diving after me. It's something that is now embedded into me.

However I wouldn't discard this product until I've proved it personally or someone whose judgement I trust proved it.

If it goes against stablished non-writen rules, but help me to have a little more trim, or to waste less air underwater, I'd gladly use it.

I doubt I can still test your product since it's been some time since you opened this thread and I'm in Mexico, But I'm really interested in reading what other divers, either experienced and new ones THAT HAVE ALREADY TESTED THIS PRODUCT have to say about it.

I wish you best of luck in your bussiness, since you're investing so heavily in it and have so much faith in your product. Please open a thread where your test divers can post their feedback.
 
How would you use these on a free dive? I've never free dove but from videos, you aren't supposed to use your hands for free diving either right? I will be trying some free dives in a few weeks and wouldn't mind trying the gloves on them. I guess you just use your wrists?
 
So, nobody here has ever been swiped across the face by a fin, come on.. Anyway, don't take the comment from Roy personally, I think those are terms of endearment in some parts of Tennessee. Generally you hear a lot of that sort of thing when talking to folks from that area... It does not transfer well to print. Hopefully I haven't kicked off a new argument with folks from Tennessee. It is sometimes hard to communicate on a forum, where you cannot read the tone, in black and white.

Now, I am playing with these gloves, and have not adjusted my diving style to have hands flailing around, etc. as some have indicated. The fact is, you can dive in a low visibility high silt environment with these gloves, and not stir anything up. In fact, that would take more skill to not stir things up when using these gloves. Now I have watched a lot of diving videos, probably 99% that I have watched on dive videos with their hands and everything else anywhere and everywhere but neatly folded. I still might dive with some of them. Normally mine (hands) would be tucked behind my back, or at my side, not flailing around. To imply, the gloves with improve or detract from ones diving style is simply unreasonable, any more to say that your diving skills are any better because of the gear you use. In fact, based on your choice of DIR Diving, it is a fact that 99% of us would not be diving with you anyway. Additionally, this glove would not be a part of such a kit.

Now rather than bash your diving style, your kit, your skills, etc. It would be nice to be afforded the same courtesy. You have no idea about my skill level, and some of your general comments are offensive, to me and others I am sure. I am quite sure, that there are some bad DIR divers, with bad skills, etc. just as any other diving style. You do not know most of these divers or their skill level, so I would respectfully request that you all refrain from making such short sided, narrow minded mass condemnation because you do not agree. If it is not for you, move on.

For the record, DIR diving as thought to have first surfaced in 1995. It is also associated with a lot of controversy with its supporters and detractors. This includes anti-dir web sites, etc. So controversy is nothing new for any DIR diver.

"Often cited as what DIR is about, equipment is viewed as only one part of a whole. Most DIR proponents believe that the most important piece of dive equipment is the diver, followed by the team.[5] According to DIR proponents, equipment configuration should be simple, streamlined, exactly sufficient or minimalistic and applicable to all diving situations, from shallow reef diving to long cave penetrations.[2]"

"In the diving world, these new approaches are surrounded by hype. But what do they really mean?"

References: Doing It Right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Scuba Diving: Doing It Right (DIR): An Overview of the DIR and Hogarthian Methodologies | Suite101.com
 
I HAVE read every thread in this post. I can't believe, of all people, there are divers who don't get this concept. I understand the obvious questions different ones have asked like, Can I still use my hands to do the things I need to? Do they have any thermal protection? Are they durable? These are all legitimate questions that you would ask about any product. But to ask "Do they work"? or "What are they suppose to do for me". Come on! You're in a serious minority in this thread.

To summarize the comments made on this entire thread;

Divers who immediatly understand the concept of adding "fins" to yet another part of their anatomy in order to increase their mobility in water......95%

Divers who said they still don't understand even after seeing it with their own eyes.......5%

That's just sad.

I have recieved over 200 requests for a free trial pair of gloves from this forum alone. That does not include the dozens I gave away personally during my trip to Florida recently. Not a single one of them after seeing this glove had to ask "What are they for"? In fact they ALL, without exception, were excited to at least try them and see for themselves.
 
It seems like they would make sense, fish have a tail for locomotion and pectoral fins for precision maneuvers. I've been in a position where I had to use my hands.

On a guided dive when the divemaster is pointing something out everyone is crowded around for a look. When you finish looking you can't be moving your fins around with out kicking someone in the head. Hand finning works to back out and away. I think it would be a great product for people who do a lot of guided dives, where there is a crowd around some unsuspecting toad fish.

The gloves/cozumel thread is located here if you need to use it
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/co...iver-cozumel-refuses-remove-gloves-knife.html
 

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