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Thank you interceptor, I have seen the pictures but I DO NOT WANT to have anything complicated. I love diving and would like o take acceptable pictures/video with something that I acan carry without fuzz. I used to have a sea & sea argentic with different lenses but this time is over. What is the size of "objets" that can be taken with the sony without an additional lens. Same question for the Canon.

Also, I have been told that it is important to have a white balanced for any video. You seem to be of a different opinion. Can you clarify? MAybe you are using a lamp for your excellent video pf the wreck or you are using any kind of post-treatment.

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Thank you interceptor, I have seen the pictures but I DO NOT WANT to have anything complicated. I love diving and would like o take acceptable pictures/video with something that I acan carry without fuzz. I used to have a sea & sea argentic with different lenses but this time is over. What is the size of "objets" that can be taken with the sony without an additional lens. Same question for the Canon.

Also, I have been told that it is important to have a white balanced for any video. You seem to be of a different opinion. Can you clarify? MAybe you are using a lamp for your excellent video pf the wreck or you are using any kind of post-treatment.
 
I use lights only for macro and close work no light is powerful enough for a wreck. I think you better call in at a competent shop in your area that can help you make a decision. If you want to stick to canon try the s120
 
I use lights only for macro and close work no light is powerful enough for a wreck. I think you better call in at a competent shop in your area that can help you make a decision. If you want to stick to canon try the s120

Hi Interceptor. I followed your advise and contacted a professional shop. Their conclusion: CanonS120 :confused:. Why not but I am still puzzled with your evidently nice videos. May I ask you a couple of questions because I did not understand all of your statements.- my mother tongue is french :shocked2:

You say "White balance is not an issue as the camera works fine with AWB and a filter "
and "
You also have to consider that with custom white balance you can't go past 9900K whilst with a filter you can
I have worked out a quicker way to set custom white balance with the sony with 3 key strokes but most times it works better in auto so I don't bother doing it anymore"

can you help me and devellop a bit more. I promise, this is my last question to you
:blinking:. Thanks for your patience :D
 
Finally bought a Sony RX100. Thanks for your help.
 
This is really interesting, as I have been looking at these two cameras along with many others here.
I will look forward to your experience, Freewillow, I hope that you will let us know how the camera works for you.

Firstly, while the Canon S series came up, it was not by the OP, so I won't comment, other than it is out of the running for me due to the battery limits, if I was down for two dives or more, I would be running on empty and swapping batteries in wet places - no good.

Last year there were a few threads that seemed to suggest the expert opinion was that the Sony wins every which way on Video, so that seems to be settled. Comparing the Rx and the G in Macro was less clear; the Sony wins, but with the use of diopters and strobes (1 or 2, with trays etc) and so was better for those with more cash on hand, and those traveling with first class baggage allowance, and all that goes along with bigger Kit (chargers, etc.). As for general wide angle, I can not comment or remember, but I would assume the Sony performs as well as the Canon and the pixels would be greater.

Other thoughts include the fact that Sony housings can be quite a bit cheaper than the Canon ones - why? because they are smaller? and need to compete with the S series housings? Seems a bit lame to me, but that was the case last December when I looked. so that tightens the 'raw' camera purchase a bit - Sony +1. There are other cost issues, like the missing charger with the Sony - Sony -1, but that is all covered elsewhere.

Topside, the Sony really shines, but one thing really kills me... No finger grip! I carry my camera in hand a lot, and in warm climates, with a bit of moisture, this camera would be hitting the ground. If you look at cheaper Sony's, they have the grips, and if you look at the $2500 re-badged more expensive versions of this exact Sony model, they have them (in Rosewood!) - so why not on this model? Sure, you can 'stick' one on, but then it won't fit in your U/W housing - or so I was told. And along with that issue also goes the un-protected Video Hot Button, not great.

But I wanted to love this new Sony, and because I mostly love macro, I did 3 test sets in 3 shops around town. side by side hand held Macro(ish) shots at the counter. I used old circuit boards and LEDs for color tests.

My thought was, with the additional pixels, the macro spread between the Sony and the Canon may appear less - by cropping down the larger Sony image taken from further back. I shot with and without flash, and held the Canon back 1.25", as to be fair, while as it can focus closer, not in macro mode while INSIDE a U/W housing, as in Macro the Canon is fully back from the glass about 1.25". The tests did not use additional Strobes or whatnot as I just don't want to travel with so much equipment. I look forward to smaller U/W lighting units in the (bright) future...

In short, the Canon images won the day in sharpness (in my opinion), mostly due to close macro focus limits with the Sony. The Sony colors were richer, almost syrupy after the Canon, but I could get to like that. But for me, and in the crunch, I need the sharpest image I can get, without additional lighting. Can one get sufficient light for the Sony's macro(ish) down past 45 feet without clear 12o'clock clear sunshine - I worry that, no, it is not likely.

I do look forward to tipping into the Sony Snappers forum, but I'm not there yet. Maybe with the rx3?
 
I just went through this exact same decision process. Thanks to the underwater camera review, it came down to the Sony and the Canon G16.

For me the deal breaker is the need for macro lenses on the Sony. Sorry, but no way am I getting into that nonsense. Where I dive the viz is always relatively poor, so macro is the 99% solution for photography. I also do quite a bit of video, so a camera that switches to video easily is very nice. The 1080P 60 frames/sec of the G16 is nice as well.

I've been diving a Canon A570IS for several years now (Ikelite housing, Sola 1200 as the only outboard light). I'm quite happy with my photos, but the video was showing it's age (no HD at all). The G16 is very similar in operation for me, and with the Ikelite housing should fit the bill well. I also opted for a small external strobe this time around as I've always wanted to see what the deal is with strobes.

I'll be using the Sola 1200 plus the strobe to get backfill, dynamic lighting etc. so should be great fun. (I've already been doing this with the 570 so it's the added ability to move the strobe around I'm looking forward to playing with).

In the end I've been using Canon for decades (from early film cameras) and am just comfortable with Canon.

The other factor for me was cost. It's the reason I don't get a housing for my DLSR ($$$$$), and with the G16 currently on sale for just over 1/2 the cost of the Sony, it was really an easy decision in the end.
 

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