Dryglove
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And the truth comes out......this is priceless.
Fresh ammo for the bp/wings debate
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And the truth comes out......this is priceless.
Dryglove
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They would make great dive buddies . They could both compare their past experiences with BP/wings.
Dont let em get you down seajay
This has been a rather entertaining thread
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SeaJay
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UP, really? I don't know why that weirds me out so much... I guess I've never been in anyone's "sights" before... And to think that it wasn't because of anything I'd done! ROFLMAO...
Wow!
Nope, I'm really me. Check my IP address! Certainly it's got nothing to do with Scoob. (I think he's in New Jersey or New York).
Now I'm really curious as to what all of the "hubub" is about.
"Sockpuppet." Never heard that before... A very cool name. How very interesting! A "446 Sockpuppet," even! Is that like a "Turk 182?" (Showing my age.)
I wish I'd saved the email he sent me earlier. It simply said that he was done with the board. I hate to see this kind of stuff happen. I mean, he's a buddy, you know?
I never knew him as 446. I know him as Mike, a great guy and a buddy... With the handle, "ScoobieDooo" here.
Guys, Scoob is the dude who got me into alkalizing... Which I feel was very helpful in quitting smoking. I owe him a lot, you know.
Scoob, if you're out there, bud, I'll dive with you any day.
Wow!
Nope, I'm really me.
Check my IP address! Certainly it's got nothing to do with Scoob. (I think he's in New Jersey or New York).Now I'm really curious as to what all of the "hubub" is about.
"Sockpuppet." Never heard that before... A very cool name. How very interesting! A "446 Sockpuppet," even! Is that like a "Turk 182?" (Showing my age.)
I wish I'd saved the email he sent me earlier. It simply said that he was done with the board. I hate to see this kind of stuff happen. I mean, he's a buddy, you know?
I never knew him as 446. I know him as Mike, a great guy and a buddy... With the handle, "ScoobieDooo" here.
Guys, Scoob is the dude who got me into alkalizing... Which I feel was very helpful in quitting smoking. I owe him a lot, you know.
Scoob, if you're out there, bud, I'll dive with you any day.
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SeaJay
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I can't find the posts where Scuba446 decided to change his name.
I'm expecting that there was a pretty good flame war with it... Is that not right?
Anyone have a link to the situation where Scuba446 was "backed into a corner" or "flamed" or "banned" or whatever?
I don't see it...
I'm expecting that there was a pretty good flame war with it... Is that not right?
Anyone have a link to the situation where Scuba446 was "backed into a corner" or "flamed" or "banned" or whatever?
I don't see it...
GearHead
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If you're still paying attention, I wanted to address one of your issues brought up in the past and in this thread. You stated that (I'm paraphrasing) when divers post questions in the BC forum that don't involve BP's, you have a problem with ScubaBoarders bringing BP's into the discussion. I understand you don't 'dislike BP's' in and of themselves, only the popular attitude that the BP/Wing is superior for all types of diving. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
While it is debatable as to whether the BP/Wing is superior in all environments (and that's not what I'm getting at), I think the evidence shows that many divers feel strongly in their support of BP/Wing for most types of diving, particularly cold-water/drysuit diving.
That said, it's important to realize that there are TONS of dive shops out there (I'd speculate that the vast majority of dive shops) that not only don't sell BP/Wings, but don't even know what they are. And any new divers getting their cert at the typical LDS isn't even getting the opportunity to find out about BP/Wing, whether it's a good option for them or not. I personally think it's unfair that a configuration that divers with THOUSANDS of dives under their belts have found to be superior, is not even an option for most new divers, purely because of LDS economics, or just pure ignorance.
That's why I consider myself fortunate that I found this board, and that more than a few people were touting the positive attributes of the BP/Wing configuration at the time. I'm one of the divers that had no clue they even existed before I started researching for a purchase. I was literally hours away from picking up a Zeagle Ranger for my second back-inflate BC until I started reading ScubaBoard and took some objective advice, rather than that of the diveshop employee that may not have had my best interest at heart.
Bottom line, for my type of diving (90% cold water, drysuit, beginning tech. 10% Caribbean), the BP/Wing is my main rig, and I love it. I do still have my old back-inflate BC in possession, and I may well bring it to the Carib instead of the BP/Wing whenever I make it back there. But at this point, I'm mostly keeping the old BC to lend out to dive buddies in need.
So, if for no other reason than for divers like myself who otherwise wouldn't have known better, I think it's perfectly legitimate and desirable for BP/Wing to be introduced as a viable option for new board members asking for opinions on BC's. If you disagree with that, I'd sincerely like to know why.
GearHead
While it is debatable as to whether the BP/Wing is superior in all environments (and that's not what I'm getting at), I think the evidence shows that many divers feel strongly in their support of BP/Wing for most types of diving, particularly cold-water/drysuit diving.
That said, it's important to realize that there are TONS of dive shops out there (I'd speculate that the vast majority of dive shops) that not only don't sell BP/Wings, but don't even know what they are. And any new divers getting their cert at the typical LDS isn't even getting the opportunity to find out about BP/Wing, whether it's a good option for them or not. I personally think it's unfair that a configuration that divers with THOUSANDS of dives under their belts have found to be superior, is not even an option for most new divers, purely because of LDS economics, or just pure ignorance.
That's why I consider myself fortunate that I found this board, and that more than a few people were touting the positive attributes of the BP/Wing configuration at the time. I'm one of the divers that had no clue they even existed before I started researching for a purchase. I was literally hours away from picking up a Zeagle Ranger for my second back-inflate BC until I started reading ScubaBoard and took some objective advice, rather than that of the diveshop employee that may not have had my best interest at heart.
Bottom line, for my type of diving (90% cold water, drysuit, beginning tech. 10% Caribbean), the BP/Wing is my main rig, and I love it. I do still have my old back-inflate BC in possession, and I may well bring it to the Carib instead of the BP/Wing whenever I make it back there. But at this point, I'm mostly keeping the old BC to lend out to dive buddies in need.
So, if for no other reason than for divers like myself who otherwise wouldn't have known better, I think it's perfectly legitimate and desirable for BP/Wing to be introduced as a viable option for new board members asking for opinions on BC's. If you disagree with that, I'd sincerely like to know why.
GearHead
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He was never banned, he just quit posting as Scuba446 because he was humiliated and embarrassed for his bipolar argumentative posts. 
If you read enough of the past, you'll see he was an "extreme advocate" for both sides of the BP/Wing vs. JacketBC debate, all within the span of like a week. People got tired of his act, and with his zero-credibility rating, he ran for the hills all on his own. As far as I'm concerned, he's welcome back as long as he doesn't try to spout off with any "expert" advice - after all, the board can always use more humor.
Now, if that one 19 year old "wannabe techdiver compulsive liar" kid that O-Ring tormented relentlessly would come back, the circle will be complete! :egrin: Muahahahaha!!!
If you read enough of the past, you'll see he was an "extreme advocate" for both sides of the BP/Wing vs. JacketBC debate, all within the span of like a week.
People got tired of his act, and with his zero-credibility rating, he ran for the hills all on his own. As far as I'm concerned, he's welcome back as long as he doesn't try to spout off with any "expert" advice - after all, the board can always use more humor.Now, if that one 19 year old "wannabe techdiver compulsive liar" kid that O-Ring tormented relentlessly would come back, the circle will be complete! :egrin: Muahahahaha!!!
I bought my SP Rec Tek after my BP/Wings. I don't have a STA but I could have bought one - I would rather use the Rec Tek if I'm not diving doubles becuase it lighter and more convenient.
In almost two years diving here I have seen thousands of divers and possibly only about 15 (all with my instructor) using B/P Wings and not many more than that using softpack wings - that's not why I use the Rec Tek though, I have to use the train to get to a dive site.....
You would too if you had to pay $500+ a month for a parking space.....
Jonathan
In almost two years diving here I have seen thousands of divers and possibly only about 15 (all with my instructor) using B/P Wings and not many more than that using softpack wings - that's not why I use the Rec Tek though, I have to use the train to get to a dive site.....
You would too if you had to pay $500+ a month for a parking space.....
Jonathan
SeaJay,
IMHO, better. OTOH, you are still calling a back pack a BC. It is not a BC. You still assume all non wing BC's have padding. They don't. You also assume wings are necessary for an easy switch between twins and a single tank. They aren't.
I've never tried Power fins, so I can't help you there.
Fred,
I believe Scubapro was able to get a new patent in 1982 when they changed the rubber composition and made the switch from Jets to Lightning Jets. Either way, the patent has expired. Original design in 1965, change in design 17 years later - interesting timing.
IMHO, better. OTOH, you are still calling a back pack a BC. It is not a BC. You still assume all non wing BC's have padding. They don't. You also assume wings are necessary for an easy switch between twins and a single tank. They aren't.
I've never tried Power fins, so I can't help you there.
Fred,
I believe Scubapro was able to get a new patent in 1982 when they changed the rubber composition and made the switch from Jets to Lightning Jets. Either way, the patent has expired. Original design in 1965, change in design 17 years later - interesting timing.
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Matt is joking obviously but he's on the right track. Now, if SeaJay were to decide today that he'd been wrong about DIR, eBay his wing, start smoking and talking down DIR, THEN a week or 2 down the road, switch back to DIR again, ad infinitum, we'd have a similar situation.
446 was never banned, he just disappeared one day never seen again until scoobie popped up.
To search for 446's downfall, use search terms like bc, wing, ebay, dir, 446.
WW
Its backed up by just as much statistical evidence as your claims.
I'm not saying that you can't be a good diver if you're in a poodle jacket. That would be silly. I'm also not saying that you can't use a poodle jacket and enjoy it or that you'll immediately curl up and die if you get wet in one.
What I'm saying is that the vast majority of divers, particularly in the Carribbean, are complete washouts when it comes to diving. Their skills are terrible and the only reason they survive and continue to enjoy the sport is because the environment is not particularly challenging.
Their equipment selections reflect what their shop sells or rents, not what works best.
So their gear choices are irrelevant to me. That includes their BC's, their ridiculous snorkels and their pretty little fins that wave in the current while they kick like crazy, leaving a trail of sand and silt behind them.
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