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Putting a flashlight in a zip lock bag! Now that is funny! :rofl3:

You need a dive light. They don't have to be expensive.

I like the light below.

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They are selling on ebay for $39, but shipping is another $8.

I did a short write-up in post #14 on http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/lights/278894-buy-rent-light.html#post4323759]THIS THREAD
 
I've read through posts in the Accessories/Lights forum and there is good information on dive lights in the $50 - $100 range. But couldn't I just take an ordinary 5w LED flashlight, pop it inside a ziploc bag (or, better, a Foodsaver type of vacuum-bag) for looking in crannies and under ledges?

Any flashlight with internal air spaces that is not designed for high pressure will only last until you get to its crush depth. That could be quite shallow.

Although several people have provided the basic answer, since your profile says you're not certified yet, a more detailed explanation may be helpful. The underlying principles are typically covered in all basic Open Water courses, but the implications may not be obvious in the mass of information you're being inundated with.

When you take something from the surface to 33'/10m depth, the pressure doubles from 1 atm to 2 atm. That means the volume tries to halve. As you go deeper, the volume drops even more. Purpose-built dive lights are made strong enough to not collapse under this load, while your average flashlight isn't. Remember that at that depth, it has to support 14.7 psi/101 kPa, which means every square inch/cm is supporting 14.7 lbs/10.1 N, multiplied by the surface area of the light. Adds up to quite a bit. Don't forget too that every outside surface has to support the pressure and your average freezer bag isn't strong enough to resist the water pressure if there are any gaps in the shell.
 
I would concur with the general consensus that there are plenty of dive lights out there even for a small budget, but the geek in me can't help but comment on diving with a "bagged light". (Consider this the long-winded musing-on-a-Friday version.)

Obviously, the first important thing is to have a watertight seal. Zip-top bags tend not to do this well, although some of the higher-quality bags can do fairly well. Even a well-sealed zip-top bag has a few caveats to deal with. A thicker "freezer bag" (as opposed to a standard "sandwich bag") will give you a more durable plastic, but usually at the expense of clarity at flexibility. If you're just looking for a diffuse personal "hole light", clarity's not an issue, although it'd make light signals less effective. The big issue, however, will likely be that the zip closures do not take well to sharp bends. Holding the bagged light wrong could pop the zip (or at least allow ingress of water).

Heat-seal type bags (like vacuum food sealers often are) can provide a much more secure watertight seal, but low-quality ones (such as can be found by the discount blenders and toasters) may not provide a wide enough seal to be adequately robust. One good enough to provide effective, durable sealing is likely to be priced at a level that would make the whole "saving on a dive light" issue moot. (On the other hand, if you also wanted to take a stuffed animal down for a good squeeze, it may be worthwhile. :biggrin:)

Now, provided you find or engineer a workable bag-sealing system, you'll next get to think about the physics and mechanical aspects. You first thought would likely be to basically "vacuum seal" the light, but that would be problematic. As was noted above, a standard flashlight isn't built to handle the significant external pressure a dive light sustains on a perfectly mundane dive. If you vacuum seal the light, even before the pressure crushes it, turning it on and off will likely be an issue. If it's a slide switch, the plastic pressed against it will immobilize it quite effectively. If it's a pushbutton switch that is on when pressed and held, on the other hand, the water pressure will turn it on as you descend, so that works. If it's a pushbutton switch that isn't on when pressed and held, it'll be unusable.

How can you get around the crushing and switching problems? Quite simply, instead of vacuum sealing it, go the other way. Blow up the bag before you seal it. If you have the same amount of free air outside as inside (i.e. the internal volume of the light, less the batteries), it'll be "vacuum packed" at 33'/10m. If you have twice as much free air outside, it'll only get to "vacuum packed" at 66'/20m. If you're planning to go to 100'/30m, put triple the air in.

Of course, this solves the crushing problem and *may* solve the operation problem (although if there's enough air to keep it from crushing, there may be too much air to be able to operate it at a given shallower depth), but it throws in another issue. That big bag of air displaces water, and as Archimedes famously streaked, an object in a fluid is buoyed up by a force equal to the weight of the fluid it displaces. In other words, your flashlight may be considerably floaty, especially near the surface.

So, if you've managed to solve the crushing and operating problems, you still have to deal with the floating problem. Depending on just how floaty your bagged light is, you may need to put a little more weight on your weight belt, but even if it's not that bad, you've still got to hang on to a floaty bag. Entries and exits are generally taken to be the parts of the dive where many problems tend to occur, so you'll want your hands free if you need them, which means you're going to want to have some sort of "harness" for the bagged light. As the volume of the bag will change dramatically, you'll have to be a bit creative here. (Perhaps something like a belt around the middle would work, but it'd depend a lot on the light.)

*Anyway*, that's the basic concept of what it would take to use a basic flashlight on a dive. Some lights might not require quite so much work (taking a milled aluminum body LED light under might need less work, but it'd probably cost about what a dive light would have), but a nice budget dive light won't require any of it (and you'll know what you're getting).

(If you do dive with a bagged light [using a small dive light as backup, I hope], please take pictures. I can't help but think it would be quite entertaining. :D)
 
(On the other hand, if you also wanted to take a stuffed animal down for a good squeeze, it may be worthwhile. :biggrin:)

And why exactly would somebody want to do this? Isn't it something that 13 year old boys would want to do with their little sister's stuffed animals?

(If you do dive with a bagged light [using a small dive light as backup, I hope], please take pictures. I can't help but think it would be quite entertaining. :D)

I was thinking somebody could make a video just to show how the ziploc bag idea wouldn't work, stick their dive light in there. Obviously the light wouldn't bust entertainingly but a bag full of water at the end might prove the pool pretty well.
 
Not a good idea to attempt to convert any gear, made for topside, for underwater use. Water, by nature, is incessantly trying to seep in. Whether it's to a lower level, or to an area of lesser pressure, it's GOING to go where the resistance is least.

There are lots and lots of waterproof lights that can handle shallow depths. Granted, most dive shops sell stuff that will handle recreational limits (130 feet) no problem, but may seem pricey. However, I'm sure your local dive shop has some lights that use 2 AA batteries, that won't take your head off. They're also good as an emergency back up if you ever get into night diving (which you should definitely try).
 
Putting a flashlight in a zip lock bag! Now that is funny! :rofl3:

You need a dive light. They don't have to be expensive.

I like the light below.

562402.jpg
.

They are selling on ebay for $39, but shipping is another $8.

I did a short write-up in post #14 on http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/lights/278894-buy-rent-light.html#post4323759]THIS THREAD

An instructor loaned me their Intova for a night dive the other day and I was astonished how bright it was for such a small light. They sell for $60 out here in the boonies, but I still bought one right away. Brighter and smaller than my bulkier 8 D cell light? Not even an argument... technology advances are wondeful things.
 
How can you get around the crushing and switching problems? Quite simply, instead of vacuum sealing it, go the other way. Blow up the bag before you seal it. If you have the same amount of free air outside as inside (i.e. the internal volume of the light, less the batteries), it'll be "vacuum packed" at 33'/10m. If you have twice as much free air outside, it'll only get to "vacuum packed" at 66'/20m. If you're planning to go to 100'/30m, put triple the air in.

Of course, this solves the crushing problem

Does it? I always thought that 3 atmospheres of pressure against a sealed body is the same whether it's water or air. If you take a non-waterproofed flashlight and throw it in a non-rigid bag, as the bag compresses, won't you be subjecting the sealed batteries and the sealed bulb to increased air pressure even if the bag is not physiclaly pressing against the hull? My bet is that you'd have an imploded bulb and more seriously, some leaky/explody batteries.
 
How can you get around the crushing and switching problems? Quite simply, instead of vacuum sealing it, go the other way. Blow up the bag before you seal it. If you have the same amount of free air outside as inside (i.e. the internal volume of the light, less the batteries), it'll be "vacuum packed" at 33'/10m. If you have twice as much free air outside, it'll only get to "vacuum packed" at 66'/20m. If you're planning to go to 100'/30m, put triple the air in.


Nonsense.

Sorry buster, the internal pressure in the bag would be the same as ambient pressure... basic Boyles Law in play. If something would crush at 10 metres outside the flexible container, it'll crush inside. Density of the gas increases in direct relationship to ambient pressure. Volume of gas showing an inverse relationship. Basic physics illustrating a basic chemical law. Density is just another way to describe pressure... Basic physics all on its own. :)

Original Poster... buy a divelight.
 

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