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Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by divezonescuba, Sep 2, 2019.

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  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Nassau Grouper

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    Perhaps a job for the "night watchman" that has been cited as allegedly missing from the Conception can look for violations?
     
  2. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Those graphics are far from correct; what makes you think the article's words are correct?
     
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  3. EricTheDood

    EricTheDood DIR Practitioner

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    They track you by cookies, not IP.

    Open an private/incognito window in your browser.
     
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  4. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Nassau Grouper

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    ^If that barb is aimed at me, then do, please, point me at better graphics and words.

    Anyone can see that that boat was not equipped to evacuate 46 people in quick order from the bunk room even if there was no fire.
     
  5. EricTheDood

    EricTheDood DIR Practitioner

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    Vigilante enforcement would be in order.

    1st offense: a stern talking-to
    2nd offense: gear thrown overboard
    3rd offense: offender thrown overboard
     
  6. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Yes, it was aimed at you. Sorry I wasn't clearer. You are cherry-picking some things that have been published, many of which have been debunked, many times. the graphic is wrong - look elsewhere to support your opinions.

    No evidence the anchor watch was missing. Read the facts summary that has been posted.
     
  7. KevinNM

    KevinNM DIR Practitioner

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    I'm still wondering where "roaming night watchman" appears in the relevant CFRs or case law.
     
  8. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Never mind. Not worth it. RTFT.
     
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  9. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Nassau Grouper

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    True about the watch - no evidence yet -

    But the graphic presented is more than adequate to show inadequate escape. Over bunks to get the rear hatch? (this has also been mentioned elsewhere in detail. Anyone who believes that space can evacuate 46 people in an emergency with BOTH routes available is soaked in optimistic hubris - no fire needed to make it dangerous. Won't even get to issues like being asleep, not alert, wrapped in blankets, bunk bed heaven, etc. the possibility (unknown) that there were no lights, smoke filled, etc. and so on).

    Sorry, this old hag of a boat should not have been resurrected after it was stolen and beached...
     
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  10. george_austin

    george_austin Manta Ray

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    Forget about a fire for a second because in the case of a Li-Io battery / multi cell pack, its the Hydrogen Fluoride gas that knocks you out relatively instantly. A fatal dose of inhaled Hydrogen Fluoride mimics drowning due to the resultant pulmonary edema - victims drown in their own lung fluid. When I read the first reports from the sheriff stating that four victims pulled from the water showed physical trauma consistent with drowning, it really got me thinking. Read the White Paper below:

    Toxic fluoride gas emissions from lithium-ion battery fires

    I'm not saying batts and or a charger is what caused the fire but its interesting to note that survivors of small to (moderate) amounts of of Hydrogen Fluoride poisoning typically show signs of contact within 12-24 hours and will then be treated.
    I suppose you could say that Hydrogen Fluoride is the "weak sister" to Hydrogen Cyanide which is what 3 US states still use in their gas chambers to execute people on death row.
     
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