Now that you've edited your post, I no longer can say Agreed. That post #56 is ambiguous, I agree. But all that "legal aufhority" stuff is inapplicable.
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Great questions.. The next questions should be imho...
Does this change the owners/operators attitudes towards questionable tanks?
Do they institute a tank inspection regiment?
The percentage of divers that even know of the death/injury will be low. So no real pressure to make a long term change - unless someone is going to jail.
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Wrong choice of words.
Anyone can "condemn" a cylinder or say that in their opinion is is unsuitable to fill.
It is then up to the owner of the cylinder to either accept that opinion, take it somewhere else in the hope they'll accept and fill it, or get in inspected by someone who has a recognised qualification to pass the cylinder
I, for instance could, inspect your cylinder and give a yes no. My experience and qualifications far exceed that of your PSA (or whatever), but I don't actually have a bit of paper that says I can.
I couldn't get into trouble for deciding a cylinder was unfit for service, but the sky would fall in on me if I claimed the cylinder was fit for purpose and it substantially failed
Experience is one thing. What are these qualifications that don’t have a piece of paper”?
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I am a little confused with all the comments about legal authority during inspections and VIP requirements. I believe it was already established that this accident occurred in Honduras and it was the personal property of a local fisherman as opposed to a shop catering to recreational divers. I know that I have never seen a sticker in Mexico and cannot remember seeing them in Curacao or Roatan. This does not mean they were not inspected and tracked by an alternate procedure, it only means no stickers. These are individual nations and they may have different legal requirements, the question would be ‘what is the legal requirement in Honduras’ not what we do in the US, UK, EU……
The second key item is the word ‘fisherman’, in most of the world where local fisherman are concerned it has been my observation is that all regulations and safety practices are more like theoretical vision statements as opposed to actual practices.
The second key item is the word ‘fisherman’, in most of the world where local fisherman are concerned it has been my observation is that all regulations and safety practices are more like theoretical vision statements as opposed to actual practices.
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I agree but like every thread on SB, we've now moved on to debating other issues. Naturally, all US based.
Bottom line: Somehow people think that LDS or Tank Inspectors can either "drill holes into/file out the threads/confiscate and condemn" SCUBA tanks that fail inspections for structural reasons. The reality is that we can't. You can stamp "CONDEMNED" on the neck and return it to the customer. They are free to buy a compressor and fill their tank to whatever pressure they want and go diving. All we can do is refuse to do that. The end.
I agree but like every thread on SB, we've now moved on to debating other issues. Naturally, all US based.
Bottom line: Somehow people think that LDS or Tank Inspectors can either "drill holes into/file out the threads/confiscate and condemn" SCUBA tanks that fail inspections for structural reasons. The reality is that we can't. You can stamp "CONDEMNED" on the neck and return it to the customer. They are free to buy a compressor and fill their tank to whatever pressure they want and go diving. All we can do is refuse to do that. The end.
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