Exercise Induced Asthma and diving

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DocVikingo:
Your remark, "The results for asthmatic sufferers getting over and CURING their asthma symptoms is so predictable with the use of chiropractic adjustments (treatments) that it is practically routine. The success rate is high," strikes me as entirely without credibility.

Would you be so kind as to direct interested readers to studies published in recognized, refereed, scientific journals which support this assertion? In none exist, I'd be interested in any published research, regardless of where it appears.

Thank you.

DocVikingo

Oh yeah, gotta agree here. I'm a DO med student (if you don't know what that is, PM me) and while skeptical about manipulation I am fortunate enough to be learning it from one of the best in the country. While there is some evidence that asthma SYMPTOMS are TREATABLE through thoracic manipulation, the CONDITION is NOT CURABLE.

A

References:

Use of osteopathic manipulative treatment by Ohio osteopathic physicians in various specialties, JAOA: The Journal of the American Osteopathic Association 2003 Jan;103(1):16-26, quiz 63

An osteopathic approach to asthma , JAOA: The Journal of the American Osteopathic Association 1999 May;99(5):259-264

Osteopathic care gives breath of hope to 17 million patients gasping for air, Osteopathic Family Physician News 2002 Apr;2(4):1, 12-15

Investigation of the effects of using a rib rasing technique on FEV(1) and FVC outcomes in people with asthma a clincal investigation, Journal of Osteopathic Medicine (Australia) 2000 Oct;3(2):60-64
 
I too would be interested in literature to support this claim. I am not familiar with the other thread. Could you post the links or the references here?

B
 
Can't help you there. I work on people, not paperwork. Working daily on people, I listen to pts, hear their complaints, apply my physical work which the art of chiropractic, and watch sick people get well. It's routine, but by no means boring. I celebrate the wins and gains of my patients as they heal up from all manner of health problems. And all I do is this neat thing we call chiropractic.

There are some great chiros, teachers and researchers that like to play in the paperwork and publish properly conducted double-blind, placebo-controlled, evidence-based research thesis and studies. That's not me. I work on pts all day, everyday.

Chiropractic is so safe, just jump in and try it. Watch what happens with "asthma" and breathing disorders when you treat (vertebral adjust) the spine. The vertebrae affect the nervous system. The spinal cord is the extension of the brain. The spinal cord passes through the vertebral column. The brain and nervous system affect the para-spinal muscular system (as well as every other cell in the body). A condition of existence of humans is dysfunction of specific vertebral segments, with associated muscle spasms and nerve flow compression. This affects structure and funtion in the human body. When you mobilize (adjust) fixed (stuck) vertebral segments, something wonderful happens: flow is restored, both nervous flow and vascular flow. Chiropractic is a fundamental healing practice for those who understand it.

Humans only get as well as they gain knowledge. My mission here is to offer up another approach to healing, besides the drug-dominant data offered up by theorists and researchers on this board. Some knowledge comes from life experiences, like really going to a chiropractor, receiving adjustments, and feeling for yourself what happens for your body and health.

My life experience and clinical result is that folks who claim to have asthma, who come to me addicted to asthma drugs, or Ventilin, Albuterol or any of those drugs, I look for vertebral dysfunction in their spine. I find it. I fix it. They breath better and they KNOW they do. Right then and right now. Instantly. It doesn't take Primatime mist and 15 seconds. It's faster than that. The results come instantly. It's very gratifying.

Are you aware that ribs, where they meet the costal-cartilage and sternum can seperate and inhibit inspiration function? That happens too. This dysfunction can also affect shoulder joint complex range of motion. So they can't move their shoulders well and cannot breath well. It's all good.

I work on real humans, not white rats in a lab.

Sorry I cannot recite where the published studies are on these issues. That's just not my game. My energy goes into humans, not paperwork.

page crow DC
 
Hey...I just read the thread from the DO student. Dig this dude: asthma is curable. Very curable. Easily curable.

From where you are as a student, I understand you are being taught that some things are not curable.

You may in your life and practice someday discover the truth as you practice.

I encourage you to REALLY get into osteopathic manipulation and learn the raw power and affect of osseous bonesetting. If you get really good at it, your pts will come back and give you reinforcement to keep improving your skills. A good DO who moves bones is worth his weight in gold. I live in the great state of Missouri, where Dr. Still opened the first osteopathic college in Kirksville. It's going strong. I have a pt who is a DO and instructor at the Kansas City Osteopathic University. He teaches OB\GYN. He does not move bones. However, his son is getting ready to graduate from chiropractic college. They both understand the potential of vertebral manipulation and its affect on all structures of the body.

There are no incurable diseases.

page crow DC
 
Hi Page Crow!

You have just described my syndrome! I have a scoliosis in the chest area which seems to displace my ribs on the right side and causes that right shoulder to pitch forward, all of which cause a weird pinching between my shoulderblades in the heart region. For the last two weeks I've been plagued with chronic asthma manifesting as restricted breathing, low energy and a pathetic barking cough. This is worrisome as I'm heading to dive in Coz next week. I'm not in KC and have never been to a chiro who seemed versed in chi flow like you. Whatdaya think? Feel free to PM me.
 
I routinely use a chiropractor as well as a homeopathic physician as adjuncts to (and coordinated by) a very good and open-minded allopathic physician. I have spoke with all three and none feel that "page crow DC’s" ear or asthma claims have any possibility of veracity.

I'm sorry, but it appears to me that "page crow DC" needs to be carefully watched. He is spreading unsupported (and to the best of my knowledge unsupportable) advice while hiding behind the old, "I just help people" claim. I’ve heard claims such as those advanced by "page crow DC,” and I must warn you, they always come from the worst sort of quacks.
 
Hi Thalasa!

You have a lot of dives under your belt, what has your experience with asthmatic divers been? I am an extreme newbie and am headed for my 2nd dive vacation in Cozumel next week. Usually excercise does not induce an onset of asthma for me, it seems enviromentally and emotionally exacerbated. This recent onset just won't seem to clear up and I've been using my ventolin 4-5 times a day. What do you think I should do?

Thanks
Pamela
 
Talk to your physician. If he or she does not know find one who does. In the old days (My pulomonary medical studies were back when there were only four elements that we had to memorize) asthma was diagnosed with a methacholine challenge, a positive result was an absolute contraindication to diving. I know that's harsh, and I think that this has lightened up a bit, but since I don't know any better I have to go with it. If you find out otherwise, please let us all know. Here is a useful link: Asthma and diving.
 
Thanks for the input, Thalassa!

I certainly don't want to go diving in de Nile! (heh heh)

This morning I've done a bit of research on the subject, and it looks like medical opinion is all over the place, from absolute contra-indication (an older theory) to, it's okay to go if you have not had an episode in 48 hours and dose prophelatically (sp?) before diving.

What stand out in my mind is I found no stories about diver deaths directly caused by asthma while underwater. There was a vague referral to two diver deaths from asthma, both due to not surfacing when the asthma attack occurred. If you know of some bad underwater asthma experiences please tell me!!!

For me I reckon it boils down to-"ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances". I'm just hoping the current bout will clear up in the next week, and if I'm still bad (by definition of the 48 hour rule) I'll just have to pass on diving....NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Pamela
 
Hi Opalobsidian,

For many years asthma has not necessarily been an absolute contraindication to scuba. A number of persons with this condition now are medically cleared to dive.

Emotionally exacerbated asthma, along with cold and exercise induced ashtma, are among the more problematic forms of the disorder for the diver as emotional stress, physical exertion and cold can occur with scuba. As you will see, the British Sub-Aqua Club (BSAC) does not certify divers whose asthma is triggered by any of these three, and the YMCA asthma protocol requires the ability to tolerate stress without becoming symptomatic and without need for rescue inhalers.

As a general orientation, here's an updated and expanded version of a piece that appeared in my "Dive Workshop" column in "Rodale's Scuba Diving" magazine:

"Can I Dive With Asthma?

Asthma is a chronic but often largely controllable obstructive pulmonary disease that affects about eight to 10 percent of children and five to eight percent of adults in the U.S. Signs and symptoms include shortness of breath, wheezing, tightness in the chest and lasting cough. The potential adverse impact of a severe attack under water is obvious, and could be fatal. Arterial gas embolism (AGE) as a result of air trapping from the constriction and plugging characteristic of this disease has also been a frequent, but as yet inconclusive, concern. The research to date (e.g., 1) suggests that some asthmatics may be at increased risk of pulmonary barotrauma, but the risks do not appear large (e.g., 2).

Asthma Triggers

Asthma is a chronic irritation and hypersensitivity of the respiratory tract, and attacks can be triggered as a reaction to a variety of conditions including stress, cold or exercise, and allergens such certain medications, pollens and foods. The asthmatic’s body reacts to these triggers, in varying order and severity, by constriction of smooth muscle in the bronchi and bronchioles, inflammation of the airway and increased mucous production. Attacks tend to be recurrent rather than continuous, and there is often much that can be done medically to reverse breathing difficulties when they do occur. In addition, since many of the precipitants of an attack are known, they can be avoided or controlled.

Diving with Asthma

Until the mid-1990s, asthma was largely considered an absolute contraindication to diving. However, thinking in the medical and professional dive community has rather radically altered since then, and those with asthma can now be certified under certain circumstances. Although they differ somewhat, the YMCA (3), UKSDMC (United Kingdom Sport Diving Medical Committee) (4) and (UHMS) Undersea and Hyperbaric Medicine Society (5) each offer protocols guiding medical clearance to dive with asthma.

For example, the YMCA criteria include a requirement that all asthmatics have normal resting and exercise pulmonary function tests with no degradation after exercise. The criteria allow those taking routine preventative medications to be evaluated while continuing their treatment. Also required is the ability to exercise and tolerate stress without becoming symptomatic while on maintenance medications, and the absence of a need for “rescue” inhalers during times of stress or exertion.

If you suffer from asthma, it’s clearly unwise to deny or minimize this condition to yourself, or hide it from your instructor or the operators with whom you dive. Scuba can involve some of the asthma triggers discussed above, such as cold and exercise, not mention hyperdry scuba cylinder gas. If you have asthma and want to dive, or are already diving without medical clearance, it is critical that you consult a physician to obtain an appropriate pulmonary workup and permission to dive.

Finally, the issue of being a reliable dive partner must be considered. A diver with ashtma should always inform his buddy of his medical status.

(1) Sports Med. 2003;33(2):109-16.
Asthma and recreational SCUBA diving: a systematic review.
Koehle M, Lloyd-Smith R, McKenzie D, Taunton J.
Allan McGavin Sports Medicine Centre, Department of Family Practice and the School of Human Kinetics, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

Asthma has traditionally been a contraindication to recreational self-contained underwater breathing apparatus (SCUBA) diving, although large numbers of patients with asthma partake in diving. The purpose of this paper is to review all the research relevant to the issue of the safety of asthma in divers. MEDLINE and MDConsult were searched for papers between 1980-2002. Keywords used for the search were 'asthma', 'SCUBA' and 'diving'. Additional references were reviewed from the bibliographies of received articles.A total of fifteen studies were identified as relevant to the area. These included three surveys of divers with asthma, four case series and eight mechanistic investigations of the effect of diving on pulmonary function. The survey data showed a high prevalence of asthma among recreational SCUBA divers, similar to the prevalence of asthma among the general population. There was some weak evidence for an increase in rates of decompression illness among divers with asthma. In healthy participants, wet hyperbaric chamber and open-water diving led to a decrease in forced vital capacity, forced expired volume over 1.0 second and mid-expiratory flow rates. In participants with asymptomatic respiratory atopy, diving caused a decrease in airway conductivity.There is some indication that asthmatics may be at increased risk of pulmonary barotrauma, but more research is necessary. Decisions regarding diving participation among asthmatics must be made on an individual basis involving the patient through informed, shared decision making.

(2) Int J Sports Med. 2005 Sep;26(7):607-10.
Demographics and respiratory illness prevalence of sport scuba divers.
Tetzlaff K, Muth CM. Medical Clinic and Polyclinic, Department of Sports Medicine, University of Tubingen, Germany.

This study aimed to establish epidemiological data on diving habits and outcome of subjects with respiratory diseases who are considered at increased risk for diving injuries. We conducted a cross-sectional demographics and prevalence study by distribution of an anonymous questionnaire with an issue of a widespread sport diving magazine. The questionnaire was designed to obtain medical and diving history data with an emphasis on respiratory diseases and complaints. The investigational population comprised sport scuba divers of any age and gender from Austria, Germany, and Switzerland. Two hundred and twenty-six male and 96 female divers sent completed questionnaires. Of the respondents 8.7 % indicated that they currently have asthma. Two thirds of asthmatics complained about regular dyspnoea. However, only 42.4 % used drugs relieving or controlling their symptoms regularly and 27.3 % used them in a prophylactic manner before diving. Five percent and 4.7 % of all divers reported a history of respiratory disease other than asthma or dyspnoea respectively. The divers with respiratory illness or complaints had logged a total of 17,386 dives. There were no cases of serious diving injuries. Despite the well-known limitations of postal surveys assessing self reported data, this study indicates that there is a population of subjects diving uneventfully with respiratory diseases that are considered medical contraindications to diving. These subjects deserve particular guidance on related risks and disease management.

(3) YMCA protcol & some background info on diving with asthma: http://www.ymcascuba.org/ymcascub/asthmatc.html

(4) UKSDMC protocol: http://www.uksdmc.co.uk/standards/St...- asthma.htm

(5) "Are Asthmatics Fit to Dive?"; Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society, 10531 Metropolitan Ave., Kensington, Md. 20895."

An individual with emotionally exacerbated asthma will need to seek clearence for scuba from a diving medicine savvy pulmonologist.

Helpful?

This is educational only and does not constitute or imply a doctor-patient relationship. It is not medical advice to you or any other individual, and should not be construed as such.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
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