Ethics of shooting a "diver"

[tjmills]

First of all....how does taking a picture and stealing a student go together? You probably handled it better than I would but I certainly wouldn't have let it go so easy. If I was the student, I would have been all up in his grill in front of everyone. At the very least everyone should see what kind of person he is before they sign up for a class with him.

Over the years I have had many people take my picture and email it to me and visa versa for that matter. In fact if anything it would promote them actually taking the next step and getting certified everytime they looked at the picture.

When he grabbed you he crossed the line. File a report. The next person it happens to might be even worse or even worse could happen as a result.

 

[Tom Winters]

Wow - up to page 6 on this topic. This bonehead on the boat would not have done that to me. There's no reason for you to have tolerated it either. I'd give HPD a call and let them resolve the issue. Not much will come of it, but after a couple of bruddahs in blue have a talk with him, he won't pull crap like that again.

 

[TheRedHead]

What really steams me about the whole incident is that he shook you like a little child. Make an anonymous call to Child Protective Services as he appears to be a bully of smaller people. If he has children, you would be doing them a favor. I would have been pissed enough to kill him. Maybe that's the Southern reaction of not tolerating disrespect.

 

[Web Monkey]

First, the guy is a nut job.

Second, you can take pictures of anybody you please. The only restrictions I'm aware of for pictures of private citizens in a public place involve redistribution to others (you couldn't take their picture and sell it to "Dive Training" without their permission).

He doesn't own the divers and has no control over what anybody wants to sell them or what they want to buy.

IMO, he also needs to be charged with assault.

Terry

The guy sees us, and swims over making the shaka sign and posing, so I snapped his picture. I was just cocking the trigger for another and---BAM, I get body slammed! Grouch has now grabbed my shoulders and starts shaking me. (I have never met him before). I turn around and face him and I did not know what to do but when I saw all the gaping Intro's , I decided to give Grouch the finger, since I had an audience. Back on the boat he started yelling "don't you ever

 

[Rick Murchison]

Oh, yeah, the grabbing and shaking thing is way beyond the pale. It really is simple assault; absolutely reprehensible. It's no wonder the guy feels like he has to chain his customers down - they may respond to the advertising, but this is a guy I, for one, would leave. In a hurry.
Rick

 

[PacketSniffer]

Catherine,

You should file a report if it's not too late. You owe it to divers that come behind you and to yourself. Besides the low class bullying of a woman, it was not safe for him to do that. Do you want him to believe his behavior is appropriate/legal? "Grouch" deserves a response from you for his inappropriate actions besides the middle finger.

As far as the pics, you can take pics of whatever you desire in my opinion.


Richard

 

[Ishie]

Yeah, that's total BS.

I'll frequently take pictures of divers just because I'm still playing with WA settings, and divers make good subjects. If someone body checks me underwater, I consider that a threat to my safety. Heck, if someone body checks me on land, I consider that a threat to my safety.

And if the diver was posing?? A lot of people would think you were a jerk for not taking their picture. It wasn't like you went over to interupt the class.

Good reason to carry one of those big machete James Bond dive knives. "So, you like to shove women, eh? Well, that's not a knife... THIS is a knife. Do it again and we'll see just how much you value that air hose of yours."

 

[sharky60]

Catherine,
Like the new avatar! As for Grouch, very unprofessional. Weather he thought you were trying to 'steal' customers from him or not, he should not have gotten physical, for any reason, especially with a woman! (could go left here, but will keep decorum[sp?])

If he has a problem with it he should have come to you in a non-combative manner after the dive and not in front of any customers, and expressed his conserns as a professional and a business man he should not be able to afford to let customers or potential customers see him being a jerk. He needs to remember, one unsatisfied customer can do more damage than 10 satisfied cumsomers can do good.

I don't know if there are any ethics for this type of thing, I've never heard of the like before. Did he have a photographer in the water also? if not, why should he even care if someone takes a pic of a client, very unprofessional. If I get a trip to Ohau together I'll make sure and find out who he is so he doesn't get any of my vacation money.

 

[Sasquatch]

Since this maniac's photo is public domain I think you ought to attach it here. You'd be doing everyone a favor and it sounds like a great shot!

Eh?

 

[Cacia]

Proper ethics of taking a picture of anyone you don't personaly know should require permission and most times signed releases. This does cover you in case of future published photos and cival suites. I know you don't sell pictures but that doesn't mean your beyond being sued. Been there done that!

wow. I have people posted all over my website. "dive-life photography". If it happens, i will let you know. There are advantages to being bottom tier, you know.