equipment configuration

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

My buddy and I usualy dive double 80s.

We have taken the manifolds and bands on 2 trips now and used them with rental tanks (cleared it with the dive operation before we went).

It doesn't take much room or weight in the luggage.

That was used up by the 2 AL40s we each brought since the dive operation didn't have those available for rent.... ;)

It can be done but it sometimes takes a bit of pre-planning and work to do it reasonably safely.
 
Regarding a second computer, if they're both going to lock you out for going into deco, a second one won't be much use.

And of course the second one isn't going to account for residual nitrogen if you leave it on the boat. It's only good as a back up if you use it on all your dives.
 
Boogie711 once bubbled...
Beche - I don't want you to have the wrong idea. Please don't dismiss our advice because we're shocked and appalled that anyone would do anything so foolish.

It seems that you're planning on going anyway. So please, let me adopt a smiley, caring tone of voice and pass along some helpful hints I've come up with for someone doing the kind of trip you're planning.

A) Prepare a will...




Coke alert.

Totally took me off-guard.

Nice one. :D
 
beche de mer once bubbled...
I'm taking a dive vacation in February and I'd be interested to hear what sort of equipment configuration people would advise.

It's a live-aboard in tropical waters and the dives will be a mixture of multi-level coral dives and deep flat-bottomed dives (WW2 wrecks), during which we'll be exceeding non-deco limits. Taking doubles is not an option.

Thanks in advance.

I see you have your IANTD Advanced Nitrox so you've done a few staged decompression dives already and you've already learned more about equipment configuration for decompression diving than the average scubaboard member......

so.....

To be honest, I don't understand why you're asking this question. You should know the answer already.

As for the question:

You could theoretically make a deco dive with a 15 litre tank, Y valve and a 7 litre stage. Dive with two buddies and use the rule of 1/3rds to ensure a large reserve for contingencies and use EAN50 in the stage so you can go relatively quickly to your deco depth if you have a major problem with the backgas.

To me that's about the minimum configuration you should shoot for and it's not enough gas for any kind of non-trivial penetration.

R..
 
Beche,

The primary thing to consider is the difference between what you can plan for and control, and what you can't plan for.

Explain to me why doing a deco dive with a single plus a pony bottle is unsafe. We have an entirely redundant gas source. Provided the usual gas rules are followed, how is that different from using twins?
To emphasize certain things that you already know (?), in your gas planning you will initially calculate rock bottom, and subtract from your total gas supply that gas quantity required to bring both you and your buddy to the surface from your deepest depth (should your buddy need your gas at that point). I'm going to set aside your deco gasses at this point, and assume that you would have these calculated properly and in separate bottles. As UP indicated, if only using one deco gas, you could always sling another 80 for that.

Most divers who plan overhead dives plan thirds. Overhead can be tangible (cave/wreck) or intangible (deco obligation). The fact that you plan to incur a deco obligation suggests thirds.

Therefore of the remaining gas, you'll plan thirds. You're planning decompression dives on wrecks, so even if you are not penetrating them, thirds is wise considering your remote location and your deco obligation, etc.

Thus the answer to your question, 'why is a deco dive with a pony unsafe?' First, 'pony' is imprecise, you have a decompression bottle. It doesn't factor into your backgas planning. A single 80 simply doesn't hold enough gas, after subtracting rock bottom and 2/3's of whats left after that, to allow you to safely perform deep dives - especially ones where you plan to incur a decompression obligation.

To come around full circle, the purpose of that gas planning and equipment is to attempt to be able to respond to things that you already realize could go wrong down there. The problem is that there are always things that can go wrong down there that you DON'T plan for, or cannot anticipate. To fail to plan for the foreseeable leaves you that much more at risk from those things that are not foreseeable.

As noted above, you have better options if you're going to do this sort of dive trip.

Here is a source for "travel bands" that will allow you to use two rental aluminum 80s supplied by your host with your own bp/wings:
http://www.aquaexplorers.com/double_bands.htm

Also, you can take (2) aluminum 40s. Arrange it beforehand with the airlines, and pack them in checked luggage with the valves removed.

Another thing, I've been to the western Carolines and up through the northern Micronesian islands. There are some truly wicked currents up there. If I were going back I'd carry some sort of surface marker bouy that I know would be seen for quite a ways. Something extremely large and extremely orange. You can find yourself nearly out of sight of the boat before you ever realize you're in trouble...some of those currents come up rather suddenly and they are truly impressive. Something to think about.

If you're going to do it, (to avoid contentious and copyrighted phrases) Do It Wisely. Or don't do it. But don't try to plan dives like those you've presented here without the right stuff.

For what its worth.

Doc
 
Uncle Pug once bubbled...

I would have figured you'd been to a lot more than just two goat ropings Phil.... living over there on the wrong side of the state and all. :D

Well, you have to limit participation due to the high excitement value. Similiar to doing deco dives with a single tank ;)
 
Doc Intrepid once bubbled...
after you have it roped and all tied up?!? :D :D

(If the answer involves latex, I don't want to know...)

We ship them off to Seattle. Nobody over there can figure out how to lasso the suckers :wacko:

Great answer to the original poster BTW.

And I apologize to everyone for Bwerb and Pug hijacking this thread :thumb:

MD
 
Boogie711 once bubbled...
Forgive me for saying it, but it's true.

Exceeding deco times on a single tank is one thing. PLANNING on exceeding deco times on a single tank is STUPID!

Dumb, DUMB, DUMB.

Beche - I know you're smarter than this. What's the story - why would you even consider something like this?

Well....

Doing deco diving -- or indeed any kind of diving -- without knowing what equipment to bring is not wise. That's one thing.

However I do *not* agree that deco on a single tank is stupid. Far from. Many of my dives are on a single (big -- 18 l, 200 bar, 2 1.stages on an Y/H valve for redundancy) tank, and most of them are deco-dives. Not the WKPP-overnight-deco dives, but anywhere from a few minutes to 15-30 min deco or so. As a matter of fact, our std. dive tables include this form of deco-dives as well as NDL's.

Other than the fact that deco-time is boring, it's neither stupid, dumb or more dangerous than any other form of diving, provided that one is prudent and has the appropriate training.

What it comes down to is gas planning and buddy skills. As in: one thumb the dive such that both buddies can ascent on whatever gas is left in either of the tanks, should worst come to worst. Ohh, and that point (in time, depth etc.) is planned in advance, not something one suddenly discover while submerged.

Of course, that requires that one knows ones own and ones buddy's gas consumption etc.

Deco on a single tank, when done correctly, is no more stupid than when doing it on doubles. Different techniques are needed, of course.
 

Back
Top Bottom