Eon Steel dive computer

[divezonescuba]

This raises three interesting questions.

First, is an instructor TEC or otherwise, obligated to teach a student how to use any computer that the student shows up with in any course?

Second, is the same instructor required to let the student use any equipment that the student wants to?

Third, should the instructor ask in advance to see what equipment the student wants to use before accepting them as a student?

 

[KenGordon]

Some divers may undertake Tec40 as an 'advanced recreational' course... and have zero intention of progressing into 'full' technical diving. However, if there's any possibility they'd consider progressing in tech, then doing Tec40 'on a Zoop' will leave them under-prepared for their next class.

If multigas is not taught on the course then which part of the course would not happen using a Zoop?

Of course, the students would have to prepare a detailed deco and gas plan... and they'd have to match what their computer assigned them for ascent/deco. Not found a Zoop deco planning mode yet...

The planning would be done in DM5, just like you would really do it in MultiDeco if using a GF computer. I know some have planning modes on the computer, do they let you enter an SI?

Have taught several students who used it, and have a few friends who bought it by mistake... Then sold it shortly thereafter (getting tech trained).

So you are writing a 'review' without personally diving the computer - hardly best practice...

If 'Tec' requires multi gas computers, and 'Rec' means no deco, then what is the diving in the middle called? There is plenty of excellent stuff that can be done on just a twinset of 25 to 32%?

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

should the instructor ask in advance to see what equipment the student wants to use before accepting them as a student?

Yes.

 

[kensuf]

This raises three interesting questions.

First, is an instructor TEC or otherwise, obligated to teach a student how to use any computer that the student shows up with in any course?

Second, is the same instructor required to let the student use any equipment that the student wants to?

Third, should the instructor ask in advance to see what equipment the student wants to use before accepting them as a student?

This raises three interesting questions.

First, is an instructor TEC or otherwise, obligated to teach a student how to use any computer that the student shows up with in any course?

Second, is the same instructor required to let the student use any equipment that the student wants to?

Third, should the instructor ask in advance to see what equipment the student wants to use before accepting them as a student?

1. No. Part of being a technical diver should include the ability to read for yourself.

2. Hell no. What if a student shows up with a clearly unsafe configuration? Like a single first stage and no extra second stage for any course?

3. Yes, I think this is a good idea. Not necessarily before accepting them as a student but have a discussion about these things prior to beginning the course.

 

[rongoodman]

So you are writing a 'review' without personally diving the computer - hardly best practice...

Since you can go the manufacturer's documentation and see that it runs a proprietary deco algorithm and will actually lock the user out if it's unhappy, it hardly seems necessary to take one on a dive before writing it off.

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

@rongoodman that quote you attributed to me is not what I said -- anywhere....

 

[tridacna]

@rongoodman that quote you attributed to me is not what I said -- anywhere....

Jim, apparently someone thinks that your alter ego is Devondiver. It isn't?

 

[rongoodman]

@rongoodman that quote you attributed to me is not what I said -- anywhere....

Quotes got mixed up somehow--fixed.

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

Quotes got mixed up somehow--fixed.

Thanks.

 

[stuartv]

If the Eon Steel supports multiple gases and Trimix, and has planning software with an algorithm that matches the computer, why would you not let an an/dp or trimix student use one if they want?

The Hollis TX-1 will go into Violation Gauge Mode if you exceed a GF of 90 for more than 5 minutes. Would you not let someone use one of those, either?

Or would you just say "use whatever you want, but if you bend it, you fail."

In my an/dp course, planning dives and matching plans between buddies with different algorithms was part of what was covered.