Eagles Nest death....

[LiteHedded]

who do you need permission from to write a dive report?

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

maybe jim has some IUCRR insight? Jim, aren't you on the iucrr? anything you can add?

In the past I have volunteered to work with the officers and directors of the IUCRR and have participated on scene a couple of times. In years before the IUCRR existed I was a lot more involved in these events. Recently I have not been in the middle of gathering and catalouging data, looking at dive gear, dive profiles etc. Nor I have I seen or helped write any reports, nor have I seen any reports for the couple I have been involved with.

The IUCRR, as I understand it is primarily responsible to law enforcement. I am quite sure there are legitimate reasons this has evolved the way it has. IUCRR people have commented on this on the various forums in the past.

My opinion is that ambulance chasing lawyers and their greed are most likely the root cause of why the information flow has dried up.

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International Underwater Cave Rescue and Recovery is the website and the words below are found there:

The IUCRR is an all-volunteer, not-for-profit organization.

Mission

The mission of the IUCRR (International Underwater Cave Rescue and Recovery) is to support all Public Safety Agencies in the rescue and/or recovery of victims in an underwater environment (with an overhead obstruction such as caves, caverns, mine shafts, etc.).


Purpose

The all-volunteer IUCRR team consists of Regional Coordinators who have the responsibility to assist law enforcement agencies -- at their request -- with the rescue and/or recovery of divers who have entered an underwater overhead environment, and not returned within their allotted time. Each Regional Coordinator is responsible for maintaining a current list of qualified recovery divers in their area. These divers must be certified by a recognized cave diving organization to dive in underwater overhead environments, and attend an IUCRR course before being placed on the call-out list for rescues/recoveries. They must be qualified to dive in the environments involved before they are put to use by the law enforcement agencies.


History

At the 1982 NSS-CDS (National Speleological Society - Cave Diving Section) Cave Diving Workshop, held in Branford, Florida, the executive committee authorized the organization of a Cave Diving Recovery Team to be made available for law-enforcement agencies that are affected by cave-diving-type accidents. They acknowledged the quality and credibilty of such a recovery team and realized the importance of it being controlled by a law-enforcement agency. To make available a qualified recovery team for local law-enforcement agencies and maintain a uniform procedure that is acceptable to each agency, the NSS-CDS requested the following:

a program coordinator
an instruction seminar
a call-out list
an method for immediate response
The NACD (National Association of Cave Divers) also created an almost identical process, and the instruction seminar created was used by both cave diver certification agencies.

The team of divers grew successfully in numbers and its expertise. All of its members were formally trained as a rescue and recovery diver specialist. The team has basically consisted of NSS-CDS and NACD divers.

In January 1999, the Board of Directors for the NSS-CDS and the NACD elected to remove the Rescue and Recovery Team from one particular cave diving organization and allow it to be established as a bipartisan program to be under the joint auspices of the NSS-CDS, the NACD, and other cave diving agencies. The intent of this move was to eliminate duplication, create harmony between the cave diving agencies, provide for a single-point-of-contact for Public Safety Agencies, have a single-point for consolidation of accident reports, and provide accident analysis services for the benefit of all underwater-overhead divers.

The IUCRR is governed by a Board of Directors and a Law Enforcement Oversight Board (LEOB). The Oversight Board consists of Law Enforcement Officers that are Certified Cave Divers and trained in the management of a rescue and/or recovery operation. The organization has a world wide resource list of volunteer trained rescue/recovery divers. They are available by contacting the appropriate IUCRR Regional Coordinator listed on the IUCRR Web Page.

 

[LiteHedded]

thanks Jim

 

[PfcAJ]

Well I guess that puts us all in quite the pickle, doesn't it?

What exactly happens if it just gets published and no permission is given?

 

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Aside from Ken Hill having a cow? In my limited experience, nothin...

Well I guess that puts us all in quite the pickle, doesn't it?

Disband the official organization...

The authorities will still need the same people to do the dirty, but now you lack that police procedure crap.

Those divers lose... insurance/protection from litigation I guess? But is it a real concern?

 

[PfcAJ]

Sure, but couldnt the IUCRR just have accident analysis as part of their conditions for recovery? Something along the lines of "Sure, well go get the body, but we get to do an analysis to help other cave divers".

 

[LiteHedded]

who exactly is giving this permission?

 

[ucfdiver]

who exactly is giving this permission?

It's been almost a year since the conversation I had, but I believe the local sheriff's department has all the info, and there's a legal process to acquire it. I'm going off memory here, but I think that the sheriff's office treats the info like an investigation until after the autopsy, which would make me think that you'd have to go to the authorities to get it.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

Sure, but couldnt the IUCRR just have accident analysis as part of their conditions for recovery? Something along the lines of "Sure, well go get the body, but we get to do an analysis to help other cave divers".

Now that idea I like. Looks to e like that should be a given anyway.

 

[PfcAJ]

It's been almost a year since the conversation I had, but I believe the local sheriff's department has all the info, and there's a legal process to acquire it. I'm going off memory here, but I think that the sheriff's office treats the info like an investigation until after the autopsy, which would make me think that you'd have to go to the authorities to get it.

Sounds like the group that really has the power (cave divers) are giving the power to the "authorities".

Since cave divers are the ones getting the bodies, perhaps cave divers should be calling the shots?