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Maybe its just fine for some, it just seems better to learn through repetitive learning. It also seems the better you know how to do something the more you will participate in it. And with that said the more time I spend doing something the more money I spend. That should equal more money for new dive sites, better gear, and last but not least more and better training.
I don't know for sure, I haven't taken a fast based coarse like that. But it does seem like thats the way most are going.
What I do know for sure is as my daughter is learning to dive she's not going down that road. Heck I'm not sure she will be allowed to dive with anyone other than me untill she's married. So I'm going to have a dive buddy for a long time considering she's not allowed to date untill she is thirty-five.
 
Phil, please go back and read what Oly pointed out. Can it be done? Yeah, but only and only if, the student does the pre-course work. Heck, if though I had classroom sessions, we were required by the instructor to do the pre-course work at home on a DVD. You could tell in the first 10 minutes who had and had not done that pre-course work. My point about actual classroom time is that if you don't have that and don't do the e-learning..what have you got when that person is at the edge of that pool? Unless I'm missing something in the post, we're talking about forgoing the classroom in favor of the e-learning and then into the water.
 
Phil, please go back and read what Oly pointed out. Can it be done? Yeah, but only and only if, the student does the pre-course work. Heck, if though I had classroom sessions, we were required by the instructor to do the pre-course work at home on a DVD. You could tell in the first 10 minutes who had and had not done that pre-course work. My point about actual classroom time is that if you don't have that and don't do the e-learning..what have you got when that person is at the edge of that pool? Unless I'm missing something in the post, we're talking about forgoing the classroom in favor of the e-learning and then into the water.

Well, to completely forgo ANY classroom activity would certainly be a violation of the intent of this program. Remember, even e-Learners must take another short exam prior to continuing. PADI has always advocated (ALWAYS, right from the beginning) classroom review and remediation sessions, as well as lectures on local diving issues. e-learning NEVER WAS about cutting down on classroom instruction. I don't know anyone in the US who is completely eliminating classroom because of e-learning. That is just not right.

To the issue of a class being completed in 3 days. It is certainly possible in situations where the open water and confined water are very close in proximity. Remember, standards don't demand any particular time spent in any of the activities, only skill mastry and demonstration. To a further issue, teaching diving for some is a public service....for the largest number of instructors (probably 95% of all active instructors) it is a commerical activity. With the rising cost and stagnant class tuition prices, they are only going to get shorter and shorter. Is this good? Heck, I don't know. But it is a fact.

Phil Ellis
 
I discovered in college that I learn much more from reading a book, than I do from lectures. With the exception of textbooks with esoteric derivations, applying principles I'm not familiar with, I'd much rather read than listen. From what I understand, though we may be a minority, there are quite a few people who have this learning style. So I say kudos for making lecture materials and tests available online, for those who would otherwise be napping.

As halemano said, not everyone learns this way. My girlfriend, on the other end of the spectrum, could probably skip reading any of the materials, and abosrb everything in lecture. She's also super-smart and was probably swimming before she could walk.

As for the whole weekend crash course on diving, I have mixed feelings. But I'm optimistic.

I'm still pretty new to this, but it seems that OW scuba courses generally turn out two types of people: people who pursue diving locally, most of the time with friends, and people who dive primarily on vacation, and rely heavily on DMs.

The people who dive vacations (this is much of my history, BTW), become better, more confident divers under the supervision of a DM. The OW course was, for them, and intro class, and they grow their skills in a controlled environment. The people who pursue diving more locally (generally, more frequently as well), fall in with a group of friends. Often, this social network involves people of different skill levels diving together, with the newer ones learning, whether it's explicit or not, under the supervision of older, more experienced divers.

The common theme here, is mentors, in one form or another. People who graduate the OW course, grow under the guidance of someone more experienced. And the numbers don't lie- the injury/death rate for the sport is very small. Whatever we've got going, seems to work from a safety perspective. As for attrition, I think that has more to do with human nature than anything else. Consider the numbers of people who just took the class to appease someone else, or the people who quit when they started crunching financial numbers, and, of course, those who just lost interest. How many people do you know that have been skydiving? Skiing? Took a dance lesson? How many of those pursue it seriously?

What I'm getting at here, is that it seems that over the years that standards have been thinning, the sport has been growing in ways to accommodate less educated divers. Perhaps twenty years ago, newly minted divers weren't as in need of mentors as they are now, but it seems that these days, there are opportunities everywhere for brand new divers to learn from others in a safe environment. Frankly, I'd rather get my intro to the equipment, an overview of the basic skills, and learn the rest from friends in a comfortable environment.

Of course, this isn't always the case- new divers do get injured, and sometimes die, but as I said above, the numbers speak pretty clearly that this is by far the statistical anomaly. It seems to me, we're witnessing the evolution of a VERY new sport (I know it's been around for a long time, but not in this recreational form). Frankly, I'm not too worried, and am interested to see where it all goes. Perhaps sometime, the material will be so thin and costs so low, that all divers pay for a card, and then seek out and learn from mentors. That seems to me, mostly a return to the roots of the sport, and not necessarily something to worry about.

Just my .02
 
20 years ago the students that got their cards still needed further training and experience to become better divers. I know cuz I was one of them.

5 years ago I watched a very experienced Inst. from Ohio take a beating on a So. Florida beach entry that had 3 foot waves. She had never done this type of entry and it would have been hard for her to learn how to do it in Ohio.

Experiecne if it is from classes (more or longer) or a good crew helping you out (isnt that a class kind of) is what makes better divers.
 
Phil- thanks! Cast enough lines, and eventually you'll catch a fish, right? :)

deepblueme- I actually recently had a similar experience. I recently moved from CO, where I was comfortable in the lakes and such, and working as a DM. I've got a little more than 100 ocean dives, but almost all of them from a boat. So throw on some new gear, send me to the basic training site in Monterey, and I was a mess :) Not getting rolled, but I definitely know I had no idea what I was doing (or where I was going) as I stuggled to get my fins on in the water.
 
Ok this turning into more of a debate than I wanted to be in. I give!

However, my daughter is still not going to date untill she is thirty five.

Hopefully leaving as friends

Plumb
 
People, I am talking about a 2-day course, not a 3-day course. Anyone have experience with these?

I enjoyed the interaction with the instructor and his assistant during the classroom. Being able to ask questions, look over the lessons taught, process the information and talk to the instructor the next class. I loved my OW class experience.

What format was your class, DiverBizz?
 
People, I am talking about a 2-day course, not a 3-day course. Anyone have experience with these? What format was your class, DiverBizz?

My husband is an instructor and the OW classes go like this:
9am-4pm Saturday classroom, 6-9pm pool
9am-finished Sunday classroom, 6-9pm pool

the following weekend are the 4 Open Water dives, usually 3 on Saturday, and 1 on Sunday with an opportunity to do another "fun" dive with the instructor after certification paperwork is done that day. Some students stay and do the fun dive with us, some don't, usually based on weather. We do our Open Water dives here in 60 degree water in a 7mm wetsuit. In winter, like now, the air temps can be anywhere from 30-60 degrees, cold and windy or sunny and clear. If it is warm and sunny (summers here the air temp is 90+, water still 60 degrees).

Does this help?

robin:D
 

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