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Dumb Question

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba' started by Jafo123, Mar 9, 2005.

  1. Jafo123

    Jafo123 Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: Hinton,Iowa
    Is a master Diver and a Dive master the same thing?
  2. alcina

    alcina Missing Diva. ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    Location: Western Australia
    Nope. A Master Diver is merely someone who has completed a set of Specialty Courses and OW, AOW and Rescue. There are no set specialties for it so pretty much each "Master Diver" has different elements. These are often divers who have done things quite quickly to get a nice sampling of what is out there. Most agree the name isn't that great as this rating does not make one a "master" of anything, but lots of things have not-so-great names. It is basically a recognition of completing the above and there is an extra fee involved...the extra fee gets you another card, no extra training or knowledge.

    A Dive Master on the other hand is the first professional rating in many organizations (also Dive Leader etc). At the end of this program one is expected to have all the knowledge of an instructor as well as the initial skills needed to start out working in the dive industry. All DM programs are not the same so each diver needs to really ask a lot of questions to make sure that particular needs are met...a diver with 500 dives needs something different than a diver with only 20 dives, for example.

    Neither of these courses will make you a great diver. That comes from commitment, effort, continual learning and tons of practice.

    This is a very very simplified explanation but I hope it helps.
  3. scubamate

    scubamate Instructor, Scuba

    No, a Master Diver or Master Scuba Diver is a diver that holds their rescue certification and 5 specialty certifications. A Divemaster is the first professional level in diving. A Divemaster has completed rescue then Divemaster. Divemaster certifications consist of a lot of classroom training, perfection of skills to demonstration quality, and divemasters I train also have to complete an internship consisting of aiding an instructor with at least 1 complete open water class, 1 advanced open water and 1 rescue class.
  4. emtdan

    emtdan Divemaster Candidate

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Boston, MA
    As well, Master Scuba Diver is different then Master Scuba Diver Trainer.
  5. scubatoys

    scubatoys ScubaBoard Business Sponsor ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

    Just thought I'd chime in here and say that everyone is describing Padi's master diver program. That is a card collecting cert... get 5 cards, no matter what, then pay for a sixth that says you have 5??

    With Naui, Masterdiver is almost the same as divemaster, except without as much working with students... Same physics, physiology, tables, environment, diving tests - and a lot of required water work.

    The tongue in cheek answer is a Naui Masterdiver is an individual that wants Instructor level of knowledge and skill... but doesn't like people. :wink:

    So to answer your question - it will have a huge difference on which agency you are talking about when checking out masterdiver programs.

    Hope that helps!
  6. OWSI176288

    OWSI176288 Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives:
    Location: Hinckley, Ohio
    Good question.

    In the case of PADI they are very different.

    To become a Master Scuba Diver you need to be at least 12 years old, complete the PADI Open Water Diver or equivalent, PADI Advanced Open Water Diver, PADI Rescue Diver, and any five PADI Specialty Diver certifications.

    A Dive Master, is the first professional certification level. It requires PADI Advanced Open Water Diver or qualifying certification from another training organization
    PADI Rescue Diver certification or qualifying certification from another training organization, 20 logged dives and at least 18 years old to enroll.

    Divemasters can work at local dive centers, live-abords, dive boats, and resorts. Assist PADI Instructors with students, lead PADI Scuba Divers on guided dive tours, teach and certify PADI Skin Divers, teach PADI Discover Snorkeling programs, conduct PADI Scuba Review programs for certified divers, lead certified divers on Discover Local Diving experiences, and teach Emergency First Response programs after successful completion of an Emergency First Response Instructor course.
  7. novadiver

    novadiver Solo Diver

    there are three ways to have the word master in the title. here they are.

    master diver = diver with an ego
    dive master = diver with an ego and a job.
    navy master diver= diver with a masters degree in diving from the navy.

    IMHO only the third one counts, :)
  8. drivsea

    drivsea Registered

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Houston, TX
    Agree w. Novadiver- the term Masterdiver in the Navy is quite a different animal- traditionally a Navy Masterdiver would be able to run air and mixed gas decompression dives and treatment tables.
    Incidently I met two Naui "masterdivers" the other day: one of whom stated that he did not feel comfortable putting together his own scubagear, the other saw no need to use tables for scubadiving and had no idea what the "no d" limits were.
  9. scubamate

    scubamate Instructor, Scuba

    Yes they are different, A Master Scuba Diver is as described above in several posts, a Master Scuba Diver Trainer is an Instructor that teaches at least 5 Specialties (PADI), I don't know about other agency ratings.
  10. ScubaFreak

    ScubaFreak Instructor, Scuba

    The only dumb question is the one that isn't asked

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