cool_hardware52:
If you do no R&D, and no production, what's left other than Marketing and perhaps fulfillment?
I was under the impression, as Patrik has since pointed out, that he is involved in R&D, just not in the same fashion that you are.
cool_hardware52:
Is it wise to make blanket statements regarding things you don't understand?
Huh?
I have considerable experience in manufacturing, ranging from a small shop with 20 or so people to a corporation with more than 10,000 employees. I currently engineer low level software tools to aid personel performing server workload analysis to provide feedback back to engineers that design our integrated circuits (the product). In a different part of the company, not located in the engineering/R&D building, our integrated circuits are manufactured. I only need to have a very basic understanding of the manufacturing process, and that is only so that I can understand how our business is getting along, and that is not to the detriment of the end product. We all play our role.
Larger business are different from smaller businesses, and they both have their pros and cons. Employees in smaller businesses are often expected to perform a much broader variety of tasks, whereas in larger businesses employee job duties are typically more constrained. I wouldn't be suprised if you sometimes push a mop, but that would seem a bit more suprising in Patrik's case, but it still doesn't bear on the discussion. I don't dispute that being involved in all aspects of manufacturing does have its benefits, it just seems you are making more of it than is warranted (from the perspective of a customer using the information in this thread to make a purchasing decision).
If instead you were refering to my assertion that you often fatten up what others are saying, it is my contention that you often interpret statements in a very broad sense, and then refute that. Although that may be technically "correct", in that the original statement should have been made in a more constrained format, it isn't very informative, as that is not the message that the statements were meant to convey. Forum discussions are not debates in the technical sense, although good ones involve logical methods.
I think this has something to do with frothing of the mouth, something I also have considerable experience with.
cool_hardware52:
Was I failing to do that prior to post # 76?
It is my contention that prior to Patrik showing up you were over constraining the scenarios in which the benefits of a donut are realized in an effort to downplay their pros. I don't have a problem that the benefits provided by your wings may offset the benefits provided by an oval design, but I do have a problem discounting the benefits of a donut to argue that fact. I read through some of your other posts in other threads, and it is my perception that you were a little more constrained in other threads regarding your preference not to manufacture ovals. In this thread you went further to discount the benefits of ovals, hence my motivation to originally enter this discussion to provide a counterpoint.
cool_hardware52:
I know I can't be all thing to all people. I want to focus on making the best goods I can with the resources, materials and technology available to me. There are many products and ideas that time won't permit me to tackle. Proctor and Gamble may want to market 20+ types of toothpaste, and find success doing so, but is the customer really better served?
Not necessarily, but quite possibly, depends on whether or not the customer wants tangerine flavored whitening toothpaste.
I suspect you are very committed to your product, and I bet it shows in the quality, otherwise you would not have the strong supporters that you do. However, I know that I would not have entered this thread if you would have kept it to the advantages of your design. It is not my intent to infer that you can't downplay the advantages provided by ovals in your postings, just that I or others may choose to contradict that. Furthermore, if you wouldn't have gone to the extremes you did to avoid the point I was trying to make, my postings would have been less abrasive.
I don't know Patrik, but obviously, to me, his company produces quality products, and consequently must be doing something right. Are you trying to argue that because you operate in a more monolithic environment that your products are superior? Are you trying to make the point that Patrik's abilities are inferior to yours because he doesn't know how to sew? I suspect Patrik is also more knowledgeable in other aspects of bladder design than you, is that relevant? I think relevant details for this thread address the donut/dss wing issue.
Regards
