Don't Share Your Air

[HKGuns]

It is now August and this crap is still going on.......Well past time for an alternate approach. The lock down and mask solutions certainly haven't worked since early April.

Protect those at risk to the extent possible, everyone else, let it run its course. If the percentage of folks who have it and don't even know it is as high as it appears, what exactly are we doing and why?

Live your lives and don't rely on "so called" experts to make your decisions for you. Just don't be stupid and visit senior living center or relatives in the hospital until it has run its course.

Don't make me cite all of the instances where the experts were either intentionally wrong, or just ignorantly wrong on lots of other topics.

 

[RyanT]

I am a scientist and we have to follow the data. It can be kind of weird because sometimes it might look like the data is saying one thing, but then it turns out it wasn't the case. With something like a novel zoonotic virus, we really are starting from near zero knowledge and learning as we go. There has been some question about what this virus actually attacks. It seems like it is a pulmonary virus, but with things like COVID toes and the long term damage to the heart and other organs, some researchers think it might actually be affecting the vascular system. In science especially, changing your mind is not "flip-flopping" or a sign of weakness. It's a sign of learning and strength. Somebody mentioned above that we used to "cure" illness by bloodletting. That was outrageously stupid, but it was what people thought was the best practice at the time. Now we have antibiotics and other medications that actually work.

Shoot, I sure hope my post wasn't misunderstood. I'm also a scientist and I was advocating exactly what you said. I suppose I've forgotten about the food industry lobby which complicates my probably overly simplistic analogy. But then again, perhaps it's actually apropro for our current situation.

Indeed, we're learning lots about this virus rapidly. We learned fairly recently that the virus uses the ACE-2 receptor to gain access to cells. Cells in our respiratory system have these receptors, but cells in our blood vessels, kidneys, heart, and liver are also rich in these receptors. This seems to explain the devastating effects this illness has on many people. And of course, there is still much left to learn!

 

[tursiops]

Don't make me cite all of the instances where the experts were either intentionally wrong, or just ignorantly wrong on lots of other topics.

I'd be happy to match you with many more instances where the experts were right. Do you have examples of being intentionally wrong?

I'm confused here; do you ignore all input, or just that you disagree with based on your own understanding? If the later, what makes you think you know more than the expert?

 

[tursiops]

The lock down and mask solutions certainly haven't worked since early April.

They have worked just fine where governors/people have actually done it. Florida -- to mention one state -- is a horrible example.

 

[kelemvor]

They have worked just fine where governors/people have actually done it. Florida -- to mention one state -- is a horrible example.

Having traveled between MA and FL several times this year I can definitely agree with that. Florida and Georgia both were very lax about masks compared to NC, SC, VA, NJ, NY, MA, CT. On the other hand, it's only a recent upswing in cases down here. The overall numbers are still much higher up north... which I suspect is why people feel the way they do about masks down here. I think it's a mistake, but I do think that's the reason for the opinion.

 

[HKGuns]

They have worked just fine where governors/people have actually done it. Florida -- to mention one state -- is a horrible example.

In nearly every state after lock down was relaxed it is again growing. It continues to grow in States where there are mandatory mask directives in place. Not as high as at the peak, but you'd expect, even with no actions, the peak would eventually subside.

 

[kmarks]

Having traveled between MA and FL several times this year I can definitely agree with that. Florida and Georgia both were very lax about masks compared to NC, SC, VA, NJ, NY, MA, CT. On the other hand, it's only a recent upswing in cases down here. The overall numbers are still much higher up north... which I suspect is why people feel the way they do about masks down here. I think it's a mistake, but I do think that's the reason for the opinion.

NY was hit badly early on because of population density, lack of knowledge about how the virus spreads and how to prevent that, and that it is a major point of entry from Europe. Four months later, cases are exploding in rural areas and in southern states like Florida and Texas because they decided to claim that they were somehow immune to the whole thing instead of learning from NY's mistakes.

 

[tursiops]

you'd expect, even with no actions, the peak would eventually subside.

LOL. You mean like, "magically disappear?"

 

[HKGuns]

LOL. You mean like, "magically disappear?"

Clearly there is no magic or we wouldn't still be dealing with it in August.

 

[tridacna]

In nearly every state after lock down was relaxed it is again growing. It continues to grow in States where there are mandatory mask directives in place. Not as high as at the peak, but you'd expect, even with no actions, the peak would eventually subside.

I wonder if there is perhaps a correlation between super-spreader parties and increases in Covid cases? Hmmm...

I see what’s happening in NJ. People get studid and somehow imagine that the disease is gone and it’s safe to partay again. I saw 150 kids at a prom yesterday socialising in close quarters with no masks. Only a matter of time.