Dolphin Slaughter in Japan

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I don't know a ton about this issue but I believe in Tajii alone they kill around 25,000 dolphins or whales a year.
With all due respect you don't know a ton at all - in fact your belief of the Taiji numbers is quite simply wrong, as I have already posted clearly above. If you look up there you will find the exact quotas for Taiji and Futo.

On the other hand I don't really blame you as I know full well that the way Sea Shepherd, amongst others, portrays the figures is disingenuous and misleading - but heck....25,000/year sounds a lot more dramatic than 2,400 right?
 
Kim-

Well I was being honest about not knowing a lot about this issue but you are just being rude. The figures I heard were off several news stories I heard on TV and on the web so don't blame me for someone else's reporting. I don't know where they came up with those figures but that's what was reported. You have done an excellent job of reporting your info and beliefs. I don't think you'll change my mind about seeing footage online of a live dolphin being dragged down the street by a truck and creating a stream of blood down the street or school kids walking by a warehouse where live dolphins were dying on the cement floor thrashing about? I don't care what country that happens in, it's disgusting.
 
I just find it difficult to believe Hayden is really into the dolphin cause.

Probably has a movie opening in Japan to coincide with her dolphin protest.

The TV show 'Heros' has just been dubbed into japanese and she was here promoting the start of that show. So until people start watching that show, she is currently an unknown here.

Anybody have a link from an independent scientific organization showing positive research data proving the alleged PCB and Mercury contamination problems with the dolphin meat in Japan? If so how come it's not affecting all the other fish off Japan's coast?
Sorry I have no facts, but its well known that fish/whales/dolphins that are near the top of the food chain have higher concentrations of mercury and other contaminants. The reason is the smaller fish absorb a tiny bit in the environment but it stays within the body. The larger fish eat a lot of the smaller fish and each time the amount of contaminants remains within their system. The larger, and older, the fish/mammal is, the more containments have built up. its not specifically Japan. Doctors in most countries recommend pregnant women to avoid these foods for this reason.

Added: I found this listing of mercury levels in fish US FDA - Mercury Levels in Commercial Fish and Shellfish
 
I am not being rude at all - I am quite simply correcting misinformation that once again is being posted by someone....and that just after I gave a full breakdown of the real numbers, and WHY this figure of 20,000+ keeps getting trotted out. To be frank I honestly think that your post was far ruder considering it either implied that you hadn't bothered to read what I had posted at all, or were flat out disagreeing with the numbers. It doesn't matter though as I'm quite used to it. If you re-read my post you'll see that I quite clearly don't blame you for getting the numbers wrong - although IF you'd read my post it might have given you pause for thought to think about it and realize that something didn't add up.

I also obviously haven't done much of a job of conveying my beliefs either. You seem to think I support the Taiji cull. Again, re-read my posts above and it should be clear that I don't, and think that the whole business is very sad. However - I believe that protesting against the fishermen on the beaches of Taiji by a bunch of foreigners is going to be about as effective as a group of Japanese protesting American gun laws in front of the Supreme Court or Congress on the humanitarian basis that more than 30,000 human beings die needlessly from gun related crime in the US every year!

What do you think?

I've already laid out a different approach - remove the market for live animals to foreign aquariums. If they couldn't make the money from that do you really think that they'll survive for long trading polluted meat into a health conscious Japanese market?

The best thing we can do is protest the LIVE animals because you know what? They herd them ALL into an enclosed area and only after they've selected the ones they can sell and split them out do they kill the rest. And guess what - to convince everyone else NOT to buy live animals from Taiji or Futo - or anywhere else in Japan - doesn't involve dealing with the Japanese at all. If there's no customers there's not a lot they can do, right?

Once that's done it'll be a lot easier to convince the remaining fishermen that they might as well do what many other towns that used to hunt have done and start using their boats for eco-tourism - dolphin and whale watching.

I'm not trying to change your disgust at what we're seeing - I'm trying to open your eyes to REAL ways to try and deal with it. The protests that we see in Taiji are counter-productive. They might play well in the rest of the world so everyone can sit at home and feel happy about themselves because they "protested", but they don't help the dolphins a damn. They put peoples backs up here, entrench the positions, make a stubborn people even more so, and simply ensure the carnage carries on FAR past it's sell by date.

And misrepresenting the basic facts really doesn't help if we're trying to have a serious conversation about this.
 
It Is a shame that Alcina has not got involved in this thread, Though she may not be willing to show it again.... She on a differant thread showed a video that was very disturbing to me.

I had NO Idea that this stuff really happend, the video showed them stabbing a dolphin, Then the rest of the pod came to rescue the injured dolphin, Upon doing so the entire pod was captured (100's I think) pulled ashore and onto a dock ware they all where beaten with baseball bats, Butchared with mecheties while still alive and crying, It also showed a river of blood running back into the ocean.

My point........This video opened my eyes to what I Thought (My Opinion) was the worst case of mass murder I have ever thought to be possible and it showed me what really nasty things we humans are doing to other species.

Alcina removed the video after seeing my response, though my response as she knows was not towards her but the video was again a very disturbing eye-opener and maybe more people should see it!!
 
Here's one link for video footage glumbert - Dolphin massacre in Japan


I want to say thanks to you for posting that very horrible video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the one I was talking about in my last post and I think more people should see and be aware of what is happening as I think that is very SICK!!

Just because they swim in the ocean and dont walk on land makes no differance in my opinion, they the dolpins are mammal's also and should not be killed , it is a shame they cant shoot back at any of us that mistreat them!!!:shakehead:
 
Kim-

Well I was being honest about not knowing a lot about this issue but you are just being rude. The figures I heard were off several news stories I heard on TV and on the web so don't blame me for someone else's reporting. I don't know where they came up with those figures but that's what was reported. You have done an excellent job of reporting your info and beliefs. I don't think you'll change my mind about seeing footage online of a live dolphin being dragged down the street by a truck and creating a stream of blood down the street or school kids walking by a warehouse where live dolphins were dying on the cement floor thrashing about? I don't care what country that happens in, it's disgusting.

Yeah, I completely agree. But there are those people who say that the same thing happens to cows, pigs, chickens, etc... But the argument I have about that concerns the the ratios. A lot more marine life is endangered than 'livestock'. We will probably never hear of cows, chickens, or pigs gaining spots on the endangered animals list. It's just disgusting. But that's just me. I am personally considering going vegetarian anyway. Anymore, I can't even open a can of tuna without thinking 'is this right?'. I'm always watching the Discovery Channel or National Geographic Channel, and the more I do, the more I hate to see animals in jeopardy. Until a year or two ago, I had no idea what a tuna looked like. Now that I know how great they are, I'm not too proud to say that they are tasty as well.

I don't think I will ever be quite sure where I stand with the meat issue. However, I do not like to see animals suffer. I guess you could say I wouldn't like to meet my meat before it becomes dinner.

Sorry for rambling on.......:D
 
Yeah, I completely agree. But there are those people who say that the same thing happens to cows, pigs, chickens, etc... But the argument I have about that concerns the the ratios. A lot more marine life is endangered than 'livestock'. We will probably never hear of cows, chickens, or pigs gaining spots on the endangered animals list. It's just disgusting. But that's just me. I am personally considering going vegetarian anyway. Anymore, I can't even open a can of tuna without thinking 'is this right?'. I'm always watching the Discovery Channel or National Geographic Channel, and the more I do, the more I hate to see animals in jeopardy. Until a year or two ago, I had no idea what a tuna looked like. Now that I know how great they are, I'm not too proud to say that they are tasty as well.

I don't think I will ever be quite sure where I stand with the meat issue. However, I do not like to see animals suffer. I guess you could say I wouldn't like to meet my meat before it becomes dinner.

Sorry for rambling on.......:D

Aubie85.

You have some very respectable points.

I didn't think of it like cows and chickens. LOL!

Does it make a differance that we raise them for the eating purpose??? I dont know either!!

When I was a kid a butcher came to my neibors house, He was there to butcher the cow, Now he shot the cow in the head and it was all over , No suffering that I could see anyway.

But I dont .... Or have not seen that kind of mercy in the killing of the Dolphins and I am not sure it would matter anyway as I love the sea creatures and can not stand to see them killed!!

Not sure what else to say, Though you made some good interesting points!
 
Hey Jim Ernst, this is off the subject, but I see you're from California. You know that dairy commercial 'Happy cows come from California'? I often wonder how much truth there is to that:confused:
 
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