lord1234
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add 20 points for retractors
50 points for each thing dangling from a plastic dring
50 points for each thing dangling from a plastic dring
Doing it Ridiculous
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Looking like a Jr borg candidate as apposed to...? Personally I notice the ones who look like Christmas trees with dive shop trinkets dangling all over but it's usually not that much fun and I certainly don't think it's funny.
Many people - maybe even most - do DIR-F in single tanks I thought.doole:
Of course from how I understand it you are never really diving a single tank in DIR - the other one is on your buddies back. (I'm not DIR though so I could be wrong!)
lord1234:
retractors should be good for 100 points because you can hang so much from a single retractor. An extra 50 points to each diver who has so much on it that it can no longer retract.
20 points for each dring beyond 5 and an extra 5 points for every one that's in a totally useless location...ooops that would be nearly all drings on just about all bc's.
50 points for a consol that's bigger than what you need to paddle a boat and an extra 20 points if it's on a HP hose long enough to be useful primary reg hose.
I'm only willing to give 5 points for loops of hose sticking out away from the body even if they are great for creating drag and snag hazards. They're just too common.
A good 30 points for the usual dangling octo when it comes lose from the dumb little thingy they try to secure it with but 100 points if they never tried to secure it in the first place. 1000 points if they are in a class and no one told them that they should secure it and didn't give them anything to secure it in the first place. That 1000 points is split between the diver and their instructor. Instructors must be given proper credit here. An extra 50 points if they secure it where niether they or their buddy could possibly find it if they needed to or it drags in the mud even when secured. No extra points will be awarded though if it's stowed in such a way that it can flop around mouthpiece up and free flow. Again just too common.
100 points for every tank that falls out of the bands and bounces off the dock or boat deck and 200 points if it doesn't fall out but slides down to the middle of their back, half pulls the reg out of their mouth and they start the dive anyway never noticing. Having the tank secured with the valve far too low for the diver to have a prayer of reaching their valve is only good for 10 points because it's soooo common but the certifying instructor gets the same 10 points for not knowing that a diver should be able to reach their valve.
20 points if the bc made for the tropics but sold to the local diver in the midwest won't hold the weight that the diver stuffed in it and they lose a pouch. Note, that I no longer give the lead back if I retrieve the pouch because I've just had to do it too many times and some compensation is in order.
15 points if they're trying to push this mess around with a pair of fins that were already broken when they paid almost $200 for them...unless they did so because they believed something they read in Rodales in whichh case they get a bonus 500 points to be split between them and the original certifying instructor.
Kim:
I'm not DIR either but lots of divers do DIRF in doubles and every DIRF instructor I've ever seen uses doubles when teaching. I think valve drills are included in the class too which seems geared for doubles. I haven't ever heard of any DIR requirement for a single tank in OW but I don't think there's anything saying you can't dive a single tank where it makes sense.
But...most divers I know who dive doubles, only dive doubles and many don't even own a singles rig. I wouldn't own one if I didn't have it left over from my shop. I just don't need it.
All I remember was the reports from a DIR-F they did in Tokyo. I believe you could choose whatever, but they were actually advised that it was just adding task-loading to try the DIR-F in doubles if you weren't used to them.MikeFerrara:
I know my IANTD instructor wore doubles the whole time for an overhead course - even the early bits just off the beach in about 10 meters of water. We also did valve shutdowns and drills with a single tank as training for how to conserve air in a catastrophic reg failure.
Kim:
Yes, I'd guess that wearing doubles for the first time in your DIRF class would be a bad move.
I've taught MANY OW, rescue, AOW and you name it classes in my doubles. My single wing has a leak and I don't even care because I don't really need it. I even had a rescue student once who did the class in a sidemount rig because that's what he dives in. My wife doesn't own a single tank rig, my former IANTD IT doesn't own one and I don't think my former cave instructor owns one though he does have a rebreather and a sidemount rig. He does dive OW sometimed though.
Once most divers get used to doubles they like them. The same things that are an advantage in an overhead environment can be an advantage in OW, even if it's not considered a requirement. A 7 ft hose is a darn nice way to donate gas whether in a cave, quarry or on a reef.
I got the impression the opening post was making as much fun of the equipment the divers were using as he was complaining about their attitude. he apparantly can't think of a reason for them to be configures that way but I can't think of a reason for them not to be especially if it was (in DIR terms) a training day as apposed to a game day. Has he been back to the thread? A troll? Where's oring when you need him?
With all the posts here insulting recreational divers' gear choices via the point system, how can one not believe that DIR divers are jerks? DIR divers are a very tiny minority of the diving population, yet the signal to noise ratio is so large that they need protection from flaming.
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MikeFerrara:
Mike: In my original post I mentioned that I beleive GUE/DIR has much merit. I was simply being critical of the high school like attitudes of these particular divers who were having a running commentary regarding other divers who were gearing up. They never insulted me in any way. I had finished diving and was having lunch nearby. What I have learned from this thread, and should have realized previously, is that diving and practicing in the gear configurations they intended to use for more extreme diving makes total sense. I also will add that after I asked one fellow how many dives he had and he told me over 50, I then asked how long he had been diving and he said one year. So, that is a good thing 50 dives in one year, out diving mid week with a buddy, and practicing skills. I will not hit 50 dives in '05; so another thing I've learned from this thread is just to shut up and go get wet.
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