Does Peggy work at your LDS?

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This is why I do all my own Hydro shopping. I take them personally to my favorite hydro facility that I know and trust and get the same prices the dive shop gets.
I also do all my own cleaning and soon tumbling, although I've never needed a tank tumbled so far since (I'm thinking used tanks I aquire in bad shape). I inspect my tanks regularly to see how clean and dry the LDS air is and catch problems before they become a major issue.
I also do my own VIP's.
It's not that I have been directly burned by any dive shop, I just didn't like the games and the condecsending attitudes I got when I used to bring stuff in for service like tanks and regs.
Now that I've educated myself and do all this stuff myself I look back and realize what a schmuck they made out of me and how I bought their line of BS because I didn't know any better.
It does piss me off that some people are unethical enough to supplement their business around peoples ignorance.
 
People like this tend to be really dense and not respond to well-intended efforts to help them understand.
Well, I saw them at DEMA and while one complained bitterly to me, the owner wouldn't even look me in the eye or respond to me saying "Hi!" Apparently, some people called them and asked them why they pissed Pete off. In contrast, I did a thread about "What if Gilligan was the First Mate" which was about a dive op here in the Keys. I also kept the name of that shop out of the thread and as here, some guessed, or thought they guessed they knew who it was. When I saw the owner of that shop at DEMA, he apologized profusely and actually thanked me for my diplomacy. The posts in that thread were printed out for Gilligan to read and he was counseled about what happened. It should be pointed out that as a result, this is the employee's last week. Rly. I didn't ask for the employee's head, but apparently he wasn't willing or able to change.

Let's be candid: crap happens! We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that gear will break, people will fail to follow through and mayhem will stick his nose in our business. What we don't know is how the business will respond when bad things happen. Forums are great to discuss what to do when you encounter those faux pas. To the four shops (yes, four) that people have asked me if this is about them: you have some changes to make. Why on earth do these people associate you with terrible customer service? Why aren't they saying "Well, it can't be them! Their customer service is so amazingly stellar!" I would suggest that getting mad at me for talking about your inability to rectify multiple failures is counter productive and shows a flaw in your customer service. I'm not your enemy and bear no ill will towards you or anyone else here in Florida. The real enemy is getting petty about it. Accept the well earned criticisms and learn from them and perhaps change how you operate.

If you want to really excel in customer service, stand out by being completely accountable. When you make a mistake, not only apologize for it, make it right and make sure that you and your staff never ever shift the blame. Then its up to you to make sure it never happens again. Running off the customer is one way to make sure it will never happen again to them, but that's incredibly poor customer service any way you look at it. The onus is on you to take constructive criticism, public or private, and reap the benefits of changing for the better. You'll then earn our respect and not our ire! If you continue to act like Peggy, you can be sure that people will continue to complain. That would be sad.
 
Good Gawd you still don't have your tanks cleaned and you hydro's/vis done?
Cave Country Dive Shop will have them ready for me this Wednesday and I will be in this weekend to pick them up and perhaps dive a cave or two while I am there. Why am I willing to drive SEVEN HOURS one way for this? Trust and customer service. The quality of their service is so superior to most shops I have been to. They aren't afraid to admit being wrong and they are dedicated to making any and every mistake right. I saw them handle a snafu while I was there and was greatly impressed: so was their customer (go figure). While the cost is a bit more, its worth it! I don't have time to babysit a dive shop and continually deal with Peggy.
 
This is why I do all my own Hydro shopping.
Not all hydro facilities are created equal. Some of the better ones will not deal directly with the customer. I don't think the mark up by most dive shops is unreasonable and I respect their right and need to make a living as well as to keep the lights on. Cave Country Dive Shop contracts this, and I got to speak directly with Dave who will do the cleaning and hydro. Nice guy and passionate about doing the job right and as economically as possible. No matter, Cave Country has earned my business and I have already paid them for the service (my choice).
 
Not all hydro facilities are created equal. Some of the better ones will not deal directly with the customer. I don't think the mark up by most dive shops is unreasonable and I respect their right and need to make a living as well as to keep the lights on. Cave Country Dive Shop contracts this, and I got to speak directly with Dave who will do the cleaning and hydro. Nice guy and passionate about doing the job right and as economically as possible. No matter, Cave Country has earned my business and I have already paid them for the service (my choice).
Maybe it's a regional thing.
Not all hydro facilities are created equal is right, at least in regards to their turn around times, their pricing schedule, and the condition they leave the inside of the tank when they are done.
As far as the actual hydro proceedure either it passes or it doesn't and they all have to go by the REE number for the specs.

I found one that turns them around in three days average and charges $18.
The other one I used to go to used to take two weeks and charged $20, then they raised their prices to $38 which included what they called a "Mandatory" VIP which they slapped a sticker on but that didn't include an air fill.
It is not mandatory for a hydro facility to have to do a final VIP and slap a sticker on it, that's the dive shops responsibility before they fill it.
The only VIP the hydro shop needs to do is an inspection before it's hydro'd to see if it's fit to hydro.
In the past when I used to take tanks to the dive shop to get hydro and VIP they charged me $55 and had a minimum 3 week turn around sometimes longer. I have ten tanks so it's hard for me to take all my tanks to the dive shop for everything.
No offense but I'd rather pay $18 and get it back in two to four days and do my own VIP.

I know the gas station that still has full service would like me to pull into the full service island because they need the money, but I'd rather go to the self serve island and pump my own gas and save some money, thank you.
 
Yes, the owner left town, but only after he promised to have it PERSONALLY taken care of. The first slap in the face was the employee who told me "if you had only called". I had called. I had stopped by. I had told the owner and his partner that I wanted them to proceed. Communication is obviously not working in this shop.

Everyone makes mistakes: no one is perfect. I was OK with there being mistakes up until the owner wanted to blame me.

As for writing a letter... it's in progress right now and right in this thread. Perhaps he'll listen to ALL of us, because he certainly didn't want to listen to me.

My recommendation is to send your letter via Certified Mail. Better yet, send it through your lawyer (easy, if that's cheap for you).

The reason I'd go this route is that one of the things that I read in your saga was that the shop apparently KNOWINGLY filled a tank that had rust in it. How is that not a huge safety issue?




If I did, I would have put this in the Whine and Cheese. Publicly humiliating people is not my style. If/when they read this, they will know immediately we are discussing them. No one else needs to know. They may be angry that I have posted it at all, but they can't accuse me of throwing them under the bus. Hopefully, they will work though that anger and learn that they have a real problem. However, the first rule of Scuba still applies: I won't be holding my breath. :D

Understood, but a shop who's knowingly filling rusted tanks has implications that go far beyond one single customer - - that has been known to cause clogs and OOAs, which means that they're demonstrating a willingness to put the "general diving public" at risk through their shoddy fill procedures ... in my personal book that alone would be sufficient basis to name them in public without any further chances to 'make good'. Think about it this way: if we were to notionally change the nature of their problem slightly, from rust to high CO, would we still be willing to let them slide?


Well, I saw them at DEMA and while one complained bitterly to me, the owner wouldn't even look me in the eye or respond to me saying "Hi!" Apparently, some people called them and asked them why they pissed Pete off.

If you do send that letter ... and via Certified mail ... the backchannel message is that when their practices result in an injured/dead customer, that letter (along with its Certified Mail receipt) can be made public (yup, it is the "Internet Age") and thus available to the plantiff's legal team, which will result in even higher damages.

Let's be candid: crap happens! We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that gear will break, people will fail to follow through and mayhem will stick his nose in our business. What we don't know is how the business will respond when bad things happen. Forums are great to discuss what to do when you encounter those faux pas.... I would suggest that getting mad at me for talking about your inability to rectify multiple failures is counter productive and shows a flaw in your customer service. I'm not your enemy and bear no ill will towards you or anyone else here in Florida. The real enemy is getting petty about it. Accept the well earned criticisms and learn from them and perhaps change how you operate.

Well said. And what's being overlooked by this specific owner at DEMA is ... that his shop's problems have escalated into public awareness (even without specifically being named) is no one's fault but his own failures in customer service.

If you want to really excel in customer service, stand out by being completely accountable. When you make a mistake, not only apologize for it, make it right and make sure that you and your staff never ever shift the blame. Then its up to you to make sure it never happens again. Running off the customer is one way to make sure it will never happen again to them, but that's incredibly poor customer service any way you look at it. The onus is on you to take constructive criticism, public or private, and reap the benefits of changing for the better. You'll then earn our respect and not our ire! If you continue to act like Peggy, you can be sure that people will continue to complain. That would be sad.

Very well said. A business strategy of "Blame the Customer", stonewalling or lies all simply backfires in the Internet Age, since customers are far more able to compare notes. Plus, it also facilitates better record-keeping: it isn't just a folder full of hardcopy receipts anymore, or verbal promises, but credit card receipts, emails, online posts. Here, we have an example of just such a story where a customer tried for weeks and weeks to get even basic service out of a dive shop, but that shop failed them repeatedly...and the record of this is digital, which will persist for a long time...particularly after it gets mirrored in search engines and archival systems.


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Dave is a great hydro guy. I saw him at a full station and
Mentioned I wanted to know the details on some recent hydros, he then looked up my number and called me only a few days later to give me the low down on all the test results. I've sent him nearly 14 bottles in the last two years and I can't wait to keep giving him business.

But it does make me think, there are a lot of terrible shops. What would the demand be for a shop open only in the evenings and weekends? A shop for the working stiff who wants to drop by after work for class or fills. Maybe I'll start saving my pennies and open up a shop of my own...
 
You know, we're all human and we all makes mistakes. I try to have infinte patience for accidents and miscommunication and errors. It happens to the best of us.

And I'm sure most of you don't know what it's like to be sued for millions of dollars for every little mistake that you make... (welcome to a doctor's world)...

But when a problem has been identified and needs attention -- and the business doesn't take appropriate action -- or repeatedly fails to follow-through-- then my patience reaches it's limit.
 
Dave is a great hydro guy. I saw him at a full station and
Mentioned I wanted to know the details on some recent hydros, he then looked up my number and called me only a few days later to give me the low down on all the test results. I've sent him nearly 14 bottles in the last two years and I can't wait to keep giving him business.

But it does make me think, there are a lot of terrible shops. What would the demand be for a shop open only in the evenings and weekends? A shop for the working stiff who wants to drop by after work for class or fills. Maybe I'll start saving my pennies and open up a shop of my own...

sooooo 13 bottles then? :)
 

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