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Too funny. I worked for Goodyear for 15 years and learned quite a bit about customer service there. In fact, I was the Service manager at a Goodyear in Orlando and helped to make it the LARGEST Goodyear in the world. We had consistent %20 service increases and I got several calls from national inquiring how I did this. They kept searching for a program to latch onto, and I kept telling them to treat your customers as your friends. No, you don't have to treat them as a best friend, but you had better be friendly with them. Some of my learning was from corporate and some was from the school of hard knocks. I learned a lot and it got me ready for ScubaBoard. :D

I have to ask: was it a company store or franchise?

It was a franchise, I had to call Goodyear directly to get anything done.
 
Along the same lines, I have been waiting to take a specific class from "my LDS" for the better part of a YEAR! The next one is scheduled for November 4th. The shop owner is now telling me that it might not happen then either. I have located another LDS that will be offering it before years end - I hate to "cheat" but there comes a point when the customer either walks or puts up with the s**t. I am walking to the class.
 
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Hydro viz and fill needed.

Shop 1. 2 weeks and $40.

Shop 2. 5 weeks and $58!

Nuff said huh?
 
Along the same lines, I have been waiting to take a specific class from "my LDS" for the better part of a YEAR! The next one is scheduled for November 4th. The shop owner is now telling me that it might not happen then either. I have located another LDS that will be offering it before years end - I hate to "cheat" but there comes a point when the customer either walks or puts up with the s**t. I am walking to the class.

I'm not understanding the "cheat" part here. If your LDS cannot deliver the services you want in the time frame you want them, he should be rather understanding that you'll be looking elsewhere. The best any of these folks should expect is that you'll give them an opportunity for your business ... it's up to them to deliver the goods. If they cannot, it's not "cheating" to seek elsewhere ... it's just how business works ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Yes but her name is June. I dropped my tanks off last year a LDS for a visual. They were complaining how slow business was. When I asked when can I pick them up they said two weeks. Two weeks later when I picked them up they were telling me how slow business has been. When I tried to pay for my vis. they said they did not have time to do it. It shore pissed me off. All this complaining about business and they let them sit. Their loss no wander their business is slow. So I took them across town and they were covered up. I told them what I needed and they did them right then. I did not want either shop to do it asap. The fact is another two weeks would of been fine. I was not going to give the first shop a second chance, it would of been different if they werenot slow. Sometimes it is not the economy it is piss poor business tactics.
 
Pete, I didn't mean to imply you were unreasonable; far from it. What I meant is that most of us would just collect our tanks and go elsewhere, and just not ever go back. That's been suggested, and it seems as though you wanted to do something more than that, something that might change the behavior of the shop. Thus my suggestion to write a letter (my understanding, from some of the early posts, is that the actual OWNER of the shop was not in town for any of this?)

Failure to perform on time is one of my biggest frustrations with dive shops. We went in to pick up tanks today, and found they weren't ready. A half hour of driving wasted. I think shops should either get things done when they say they will be done, or within what a reasonable customer would view as time for them to get done, or at the very least, they should call or e-mail the customer to warn them that there has been a delay, so they don't go out of their way to pick things up, or plan activities that require them. And don't make excuses. I'm rarely interested in the reason why things aren't done (there are exceptions).
 
(my understanding, from some of the early posts, is that the actual OWNER of the shop was not in town for any of this?)
Yes, the owner left town, but only after he promised to have it PERSONALLY taken care of. The first slap in the face was the employee who told me "if you had only called". I had called. I had stopped by. I had told the owner and his partner that I wanted them to proceed. Communication is obviously not working in this shop.

Everyone makes mistakes: no one is perfect. I was OK with there being mistakes up until the owner wanted to blame me.

As for writing a letter... it's in progress right now and right in this thread. Perhaps he'll listen to ALL of us, because he certainly didn't want to listen to me.
 
I have found many shops disappoint. A shop here has great rental gear but doesn't put mouthpieces on, you have to buy them, for about $8 each.
Interestingly enough, I sat through a week long workshop on scuba business and marketing, and this was part of it. The idea was to convince the customer that it is an important step to ensure sanitation, which is pure crap. He suggested the same thing for the gear for the OW classes.

One bad review showing up on google is a black mark for a company's reputation.
THe opposite may be true.

Last year there was a link within a thread to a newspaper story about some really, really horrible customer service that led to all sorts of bad reviews on all sorts of web sites, blogs, etc. When I say horrible, I am talking about something you have never experienced. The guy was really a small time operator, but he got so many nasty reviews that his business name was all over the web.

Consequently, if you did a Google search for the nature of his business, his was one of the first names to come up. Google's process gave searchers results based on the number of hits. According to the story, the guy was intentionally pi$$ing customers off because it resulted in such a high profile in the search engines. He got more than enough new customers that way to offset the ones he lost.
 
Boulderjohn,

That was a class on sales, not business. :D

I think I should start an evenings-and-weekends scuba consulting business. Help scuba shops calculate their costs, build an action plan for reaching their goals, help them make the store appealing yet functional, and train their staff on customer service.

For example, I'd recommend they offer buckets of sanitizer for students to use so they can ensure regs are sanitary, and offer mouthpieces at a fair price as an alternative option for the true germophobes. Or, make the business decision to focus on luxury classes-- smal size, everything included, kind of course, and include automatic mouthpieces. Heck, check the IP and stuff after each day of class and show customers the results.
 
Boulderjohn,

That was a class on sales, not business. :D

I think I should start an evenings-and-weekends scuba consulting business. Help scuba shops calculate their costs, build an action plan for reaching their goals, help them make the store appealing yet functional, and train their staff on customer service.

For example, I'd recommend they offer buckets of sanitizer for students to use so they can ensure regs are sanitary, and offer mouthpieces at a fair price as an alternative option for the true germophobes. Or, make the business decision to focus on luxury classes-- smal size, everything included, kind of course, and include automatic mouthpieces. Heck, check the IP and stuff after each day of class and show customers the results.

I like the idea. I will use my extensive experience in the diving industry (absolutely none) to offer them suggestions on how to do BUSINESS THE MODERN WAY:

1) Remember that the customer doesn't actually mean much. They are there for YOUR CONVENIENCE. They should be grateful that you are even willing to acknowledge their existance, let alone actually speak to them. Rudeness and incivility on the retailers part makes them appreciate just how much you are doing for them.

2) Show them how successful you are by making them wait. If you don't do this they will get the idea that their business is important to you and will want cheaper prices.

3) Remember that customers dunno nuthin. Talk down to the ones that do so that other customers will fear a battle of wits with you. Also, talk loudly so all of the customers can hear you. This works really well if you go into a battle of wits unarmed.

4) As you, the retailer, are PERFECT, accept blame for nothing. There are always employees, manufacturers, distributors, and other worthless people to blame. If you get into a bind you can always use Deities or weather. No matter how clear that it is your fault if you accept blame the customer will think that you can be pushed around.

5) Save money on your labor costs. Hire friends and family. Provide no training as they will learn as they go. Especially for regulator repair. That's what you have insurance for!

6) Loudly proclaim at every opportunity to all who are within earshot that your business is THE BEST and your competitors are idiots. Also, the people that shop there are morons.This way customers will know that as the patronize you they are smart and worthy people. Makes it easier to rob them blind after you have made them feel good.

7) Never tell a customer an inconvenient truth when a perfectly good lie will suffice.

8) Also tell your customers that what you sell is THE BEST and all of your competitors stuff is crap. If you pick up a new product line that you have previously trashed see rule #7.

9) Don't be afraid to sell a customer something that they don't need, don't want or can't use. After all, their mere presence in your business established that they want to spend money. This works especially well when non diving spouses are in your store buying gifts. Think of how suprised the recipient will really be!

9) Talk poorly about your customers to other customers. That way, they will spend more money to avoid the risk of upsetting you and incurring your wrath.

10) Last but not least, be dishonest. Smile at a customer and tell them that the there is a no refund policy on the new toy they bought, even if it is still in the original packaging and was purchased yesterday. Same deal for warranty. Tell them one price then charge a much greater price. After all, you are there to make a profit. The customer is there to be profited from.

If you follow my sure fire recipe for success you too will go broke in a short while. When this happens Rule #4 will work well for you! :D
 

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