Does my own diving pleasure/enjoyment stop when becoming a DM

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Marcus5015

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I had a bad experience with a dive shop that came close to putting me off diving completely when starting my dm there.

i know i become a professional, but it seems like that i am not allowed to enjoy diving anymore as what the diving school insinuated.

as a dm student, does it give the instructor the right to "go off at me" in front other open water students, more over, does it allow a instructor to expect me to know things i was not taught... Or be little me... Just a Q from a annoyed....
 
No, find another instructor. Becoming a DM does however mean doing chores like hauling tanks, etc. besides guiding and instructing. So yes, there is work involved not just fun. Respect towards a DM student however is mandatory as far as I am concerned.
 
A bit difficult to answer without knowing circumstances of why instructor " went off " at you. That said it is wrong of the instructor to do this in front of students.
 
Absolutely NOT! It can seem that way if you allow it to get that far. An instructor has zero right to dictate all your diving activities just because you are a DM candidate. I assume you are paying for this course. If so,even more reason to tell him to sod off if he gets in your face. You are not his employee unless he is paying you for your services.

What you are describing is behavior that is unethical, unprofessional, and just plain ignorant. This is where you have a chat with the owner. Either get it straightened out and have the instructor put in line or get your money back and find a professional outfit to get your training through. Unless you did something that directly impacted the safety of others, or yourself, an instructor acting that way is deserving of no respect. NONE! Tell him to get stuffed. After you report him and his behavior to the agency he represents. Also warn others about it.
 
It took a great deal for me to wright this mail to you, and i was unsure how to handle the situation, then I decided to just tell it like it is.
Please understand I do not want to cause any bad feelings between anybody.


The last pool, session with ****** and myself with the the two open water students did not go well at all. In my opinion there is a personality clash between myself and Wouter.
I understand he needs to be strict, but there is a difference between being strict and breaking a person, on the day, i was expected to know things that i wasn't taught, i didn't attend previous pool sessions except for one previous occasion with the rescue students that we subsequently went to miracle with the following day.
The last pool session i needed to demonstrate the hand signals for some of of the open water skills, not having done this before as i mentioned, i was nailed and made to feel like a idiot for not knowing something i was not instructed on.
Further more, when i had to swim with the students around the pool at mid level, the one student cut a corner managed to get ahead of me and bailed for surface, Wouter holds to what he saw, and reckons i was not doing a proper dm job allowing the student to get ahead of me, yet i feel i still did the right thing going after him up to surface, nonetheless, whether i was wrong or not, even if i did make a huge error, i don't feel that it warrants to be yelled at the surface in front of the other students to "get with the program" , this was uncalled for in my opinion.
If there was a problem to be had, with how i dealt with the situation a talking to aside out of ear shot would have been much better. Also promised to me was that i would have been contacted to make arrangements to receive a padi dvd on the skills and how to demonstrate, yet this was not forthcoming either, i don't want to call continuously to the dive shop to follow up on things and then resulting in me being called a nag. Not much communication either has happened in Kim's advanced open water course either... why must *** always initiate communication, isn't it also the instructors responsibility to encourage students?


Please understand, i do not have any intention to disrupt anything in your household or your dive operation, however i do wish to conclude my DM under positive atmosphere without personality clashes. I know that as a DM , i wont be able to choose my customers one day, yet i feel that i get enough pressure from work and do not need more pressure after hours in something i am supposed to enjoy, in my work i also deal with allot of very difficult people, and i teach a variety of personalities , yet i deem it necessary for me to do my DM course under good climate as i am after all paying to do the course and i am still a customer.


I hope this mail finds you well, and that you can understand my position and that this writing in no way causes bad friendship between us.

---------- Post added September 13th, 2015 at 05:27 PM ----------

The reply to the letter i sent:

Please note the following:


1. When you do a DM course you are training to become a PADI professional,
this rating is held to a very high standard and has international qualifying
norms.
2. When you train as a DM you stop diving for yourself OR FOR FUN and you
start to dive for others. - you become a member of the team
3. With these statements in mind to qualify as a PADI DM you get critiqued
on physical fitness AND the way you conduct yourself with students both in
the water and out. (the theoretical test is only a small part of the
requirement)
4. When an instructor is conducting a confined water course, the most
important person to him/her is the open water student, who has never dived
before.
5. At this level of training you need to start thinking for yourself,
thinking for the students, and being an asset to the instructor as well as
the school you are representing.
6. Should you require time in the pool to train the skills or require the
dvd, it is YOUR responsibility to organize with the staff at the shop to
pick it up. Unfortunately we do not have the time to drop it off for you. It
is not a requirement for the course, but something we are willing to give
you, to help you better your skills.
7. I am not always available on weekends to train as I also have a busy work
schedule, so we all train as a team, this helps DM's learn different
techniques and ways of handling situations .
8. A person doing a DM course should be familiar with hand signals as he/she
did them in their open water course as well as observing the instructor
during briefings with new open water students.
9. I am still going to get Wouter to do the final evaluation as he is very
thorough and IF we qualify you as a DM you will always be a reflection on
our school and if you go to instructor level and your skills, technique and
student interaction is not 100% it is a poor reflection on us.
10. In DM training the instructor is not there to be a friend, but rather a
mentor, so you should not take constructive criticism personally but learn
from it and grow.


We have let you and Know on numerous occasions when we are going to
Miracle Waters to finish her advanced, and she has even been there with you.
She does not want to finish it in Miracle Waters. We have sent our sea
trips itinerary to you. On every trip we have advanced courses running. If
you do not join on the trip or go to Miracle, we are not left with any
choices. Her theory is done, we just need to do the dives.
 
AJ:
No, find another instructor. Becoming a DM does however mean doing chores like hauling tanks, etc. besides guiding and instructing. So yes, there is work involved not just fun. Respect towards a DM student however is mandatory as far as I am concerned.

As a DM maybe, if that is part of the JOB description the DM is being compensated for. As a student DM, I disagree with this unless the student is getting a discount for so called chores or is getting paid. I know that some shops and instructors think that this stuff is part of the "internship" portion but in reality it's more like indentured servitude and IMO not ethical.

Having went through this myself as a DM where I was told that these chores were part of the program, I look back now and see where it actually detracted from the process of learning. Rather than "helping out" in the shop, hauling tanks, rinsing gear, etc. I should have been learning actual dive related skills. Working on advanced dive knowledge and advanced dive skills. Learning more and sweating less.

Being dressed down in front of others was never done and would not have been tolerated even if it meant getting kicked out of the class.
 
Just feel the whole thing was dealt with incorrectly, as a professional, can i or dare to ask for money back, i literally only finished my theory work...

---------- Post added September 13th, 2015 at 05:37 PM ----------

The letters i posted, in you guys opinion, was it dealt with correctly, from my side and the dive school side?

---------- Post added September 13th, 2015 at 05:40 PM ----------

:confused:
 
The instructor should not have you in confined water with students if he has not done presentations for dm course that has to do with supervising students in training. Instructor required have completed all skills listed on dm skill circuit review with you to a point where skills are " demonstration" quality before you are dealing with students.
 
1. When you do a DM course you are training to become a PADI professional,
this rating is held to a very high standard and has international qualifying
norms. Should be true. Shop should though make it crystal clear what those standards are give them to you in writing


2. When you train as a DM you stop diving for yourself OR FOR FUN and you
start to dive for others. - you become a member of the team. Total BS as to the first two points and only to a degree for the third. The team should create an atmosphere of welcome and support


3. With these statements in mind to qualify as a PADI DM you get critiqued
on physical fitness AND the way you conduct yourself with students both in
the water and out. (the theoretical test is only a small part of the
requirement) True. Again though you should know what those are and if there is an issue made aware of it in a professional and discrete way.

4. When an instructor is conducting a confined water course, the most
important person to him/her is the open water student, who has never dived
before. True, but as a student yourself he should be in control of the entire group. Ready to assist and intervene at any time.

5. At this level of training you need to start thinking for yourself,
thinking for the students, and being an asset to the instructor as well as
the school you are representing. True as far as thinking for yourself. You should not be thinking for the students but demonstrating to them how to think for themselves! An asset to the instructor and school that is also true but they need to be an asset for you as well in return.


6. Should you require time in the pool to train the skills or require the
dvd, it is YOUR responsibility to organize with the staff at the shop to
pick it up. Unfortunately we do not have the time to drop it off for you. It
is not a requirement for the course, but something we are willing to give
you, to help you better your skills. Sounds reasonable, but see above as well. There should be some give and take.

7. I am not always available on weekends to train as I also have a busy work
schedule, so we all train as a team, this helps DM's learn different
techniques and ways of handling situations .Actually a good policy and one that other shops should should consider.


8. A person doing a DM course should be familiar with hand signals as he/she
did them in their open water course as well as observing the instructor
during briefings with new open water students. No argument here as this really is basic stuff. There should be clear understanding though of how they want these to be done. That is also your responsibility to clarify with them. They should clarify when you will be doing them. However again this is basic stuff and not something that should be required to be taught to a DMC. If it does your previous training and experience may need to be looked at.

9. I am still going to get Wouter to do the final evaluation as he is very
thorough and IF we qualify you as a DM you will always be a reflection on
our school and if you go to instructor level and your skills, technique and
student interaction is not 100% it is a poor reflection on us. Can't argue with this. In fact every student that comes out of any class is a reflection of them. So are the ethics, morals, practices, and behavior.


10. In DM training the instructor is not there to be a friend, but rather a
mentor, so you should not take constructive criticism personally but learn
from it and grow. There is a difference between constructive criticism and being an ass. Actually I prefer to be seen as a mentor and friend to all my students as well as an educator. Being seen as a friend can smooth over those rough patches that will inevitably happen from time to time. Not to the point that it risks student safety though.

---------- Post added September 13th, 2015 at 11:55 AM ----------

The instructor should not have you in confined water with students if he has not done presentations for dm course that has to do with supervising students in training. Instructor required have completed all skills listed on dm skill circuit review with you to a point where skills are " demonstration" quality before you are dealing with students.

Very good point! Unless he has verified that your skills are up to snuff, and if not actually done remediation with you to where they are, you should not be demoing skills.
 
so the answer to the question in your title is "sort of". If you are an acting instructor/AI/DM etc, then you are no longer diving for yourself. Those dives are about the students and you need to either get over it, or learn to love teaching/guiding, showing things to the certified divers that they may not have seen, acting as a good role model and answering questions, or teaching new divers and watching the light bulbs go off. That is the "fun" that you'll get while you're working because these are now working dives.

That said, you shouldn't be treated the way you have indicated in your OP, that is just rude and unprofessional and you can actually report that back to the agency if you aren't comfortable/happy with it.

Point is, your diving will never be the same again because you are now responsible for people, but that doesn't mean the fun goes away, just changes.
 
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