DM or Master Diver????

[TheRedHead]

This is is from the profile of the guy who started a rant because a PADI shop wouldn't let his underage son dive from their boat and is on the instructor list with a false name.

Thalassamania has some impressive credentials in scientific diving.

 

[Cacia]

I just had a chap who is a PADI MD inquire as to what a SAC rate was and how to determine it.

oh yea, thats not unusual. Some people don't care about sac rates at all. Be really careful about making fun of divers who don't know this or that factoid. I know lots of divers who know ALL the facts and can't put a thought together.
The guy that had perfect SAT's but couldn't navigate life? Well, lots of them are divers, I've noticed. Certainly not you...but you've seen them I am sure. You are probably a superior diver due to experience.

All the knowledge is out there and nobody owns it. And there is no law that says you cannot learn it without paying someone. Personally, I think the best way is seek out the right person.

 

[HammerNoMore]

Thalassamania has some impressive credentials in scientific diving.

You are right. He is god's gift to diving. He is the be all end all of all things diving. Jaques Cousteu is but a child compared to this man. You should listen to everything he says and ask him "How High?".

 

[Cacia]

Well, how is it an agenda if there is no money or business involved? Maybe it is his opinion that they are duping people a bit. There are certainly more pro PADI people than anti, so it is just as well people hear both sides. All the agencies take heat and that is part of being the big dog, being held accountable, just my opinion. Thall has some unique history that would be difficult to replicate.

If it is true that he and Walter have an anit-PADI agenda, I for one am very interested to hear why. Basically, from what I can surmise, Walter detests BS, and thats about all I can come up with....an exceptionally low tolerance for BS.

 

[Thalassamania]

Cathrine,

SAC rate is a rather basic concept that I expect an entry level student to deal with. I'm not making fun of the diver per se, if I were I'd have supplied a link, etc., etc. The point is that a diver can, in fact, reach the level of MASTER DIVER and not have the concept down. And that spoke exactly to the conversation that we were having.

 

[Damselfish]

Equipment Specialist
EANX
O2 Provider
HMLI
AED

I think there is at least one more but off the top of my head that's 5.

Project Aware
Padi Aware - Coral Reef Conservation
(don't have to be a certified diver to take either of those, but they do count towards MD. I think there might be other similar. Maybe they should offer a different master card that you take a bunch of fishID/environmental type specilties for. That wouldn't be a bad thing, it's just not diving skills.)

 

[HowardE]

The point is that a diver can, in fact, reach the level of MASTER DIVER and not have the concept down. And that spoke exactly to the conversation that we were having.

I think this is probably one of the best points in the thread really. How can someone truly be a master of anything if some basic concepts have been overlooked?

 

[Diver Dennis]

I agree. A diver can get to instructor level with very little real world experience. There are a lot of threads here discussing someone who wants to go from OW to instructor without a break to gain experience in between.

 

[HammerNoMore]

Well, how is it an agenda if there is no money or business involved? Maybe it is his opinion that they are duping people a bit. There are certainly more pro PADI people than anti, so it is just as well people hear both sides. All the agencies Take heat and that is part of being the big dog, being held accountable, just my opinion.

It's quite simple. If you read my posts on this tread they are all factual and to the point. They are not pro-padi, nor are they anti-padi, they are, in fact, based on my experience and are factual, where facts are involved, and where it is a matter of opinion, base on the facts, not based on a love or hate for any agency.

On the otherhand, if someone had an "agenda" that means they are here only to promote that agenda. Take, for example, Thal's post about SAC rates. What did it add to the thread? Nothing, save to point out that one PADI MD isn't knowledgabe about SAC rates.

Do you see me poiting out every NAUD, YMCA, GUE, CMAS, SSI, etc diver I know who reached a certain level without knowledge of every aspect of the sport? No, you haven't because I have great reapect for ALL of those agencies.

Did this thread go off topic? You bet. But did it go off topic enough that it should become an us vs them thread? No, not until god got involvled.

James

 

[HammerNoMore]

Cathrine,

SAC rate is a rather basic concept that I expect an entry level student to deal with. I'm not making fun of the diver per se, if I were I'd have supplied a link, etc., etc. The point is that a diver can, in fact, reach the level of MASTER DIVER and not have the concept down. And that spoke exactly to the conversation that we were having.

Should I start a thread? How many NAUI OW graduates know what a SAC rate is and how to calculate it?

I know I didn't get this information in my NAUI OW course

What do you expect a "Master Diver" to know exactly?

James