Review Diving the Avelo System

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Do they give you 4 full tanks so you don't need to get back after the first dive and the second dive etc? I do 4 dives a day on Bonaire and don't want to spent time waiting for fills or driving back and then go again.
Hi @Germie

Routine Avelo rental includes a Jetpack, 3 Hydrotanks, 2 batteries, a 300 bar DIN regulator set, and whatever weight you need. I have found that I only need a single battery for 3 dives, so only take one. I use my own regulator set with a transmitter and my Teric running the Avelo Mode.

For me, 3 tanks is enough. I do 2 dives in the morning, have a leisurely lunch, and do 1 dive in the afternoon. My dives average about 70 minutes. I have never discussed taking 4 Hydrotanks with Dive Friends, they may be able to arrange it.
 
I have been following this for a while. I have nothing against the system and wish them the best in their endeavors. But, I do not understand the economics of the system. Every innovation has to basically cover two basic points; one being benefit, the other being cost.

I am still not understanding the benefit of the system. To use it, you need to be an already certified diver. Even if you learn on this system, there needs to be an assumption that you will encounter more traditional dive gear at home or in other locations. It will simplify diving, with additional training.

Economics is the other factor. Each unit is significantly more expensive than the equivalent traditional OC system. A standard AL 80 is cheap by comparison and probably bought in bulk for less than $150. The same for rental regulators and BCDs. People can own and travel with their own gear. and mix and match as needed pretty much anywhere in the world. No requirements for heavy duty compressors or spare electrical components and batteries and supplemental training . If this gear made diving significantly longer or safer, it might be justified. The advent of the BCD, the Jacket BCD, and the Dive Computer all added a lot to the cost of recreational diving. But the added cost gave significant benefits to safety and comfort of the dive experience. I don't see the added cost out weighing the additional expense. As for the weight difference, I could see other solutions to that (like donning and doffing gear in the water or using sidemount to reduce back strain).
 
I have been following this for a while. I have nothing against the system and wish them the best in their endeavors. But, I do not understand the economics of the system. Every innovation has to basically cover two basic points; one being benefit, the other being cost.

I am still not understanding the benefit of the system. To use it, you need to be an already certified diver. Even if you learn on this system, there needs to be an assumption that you will encounter more traditional dive gear at home or in other locations. It will simplify diving, with additional training.

Economics is the other factor. Each unit is significantly more expensive than the equivalent traditional OC system. A standard AL 80 is cheap by comparison and probably bought in bulk for less than $150. The same for rental regulators and BCDs. People can own and travel with their own gear. and mix and match as needed pretty much anywhere in the world. No requirements for heavy duty compressors or spare electrical components and batteries and supplemental training . If this gear made diving significantly longer or safer, it might be justified. The advent of the BCD, the Jacket BCD, and the Dive Computer all added a lot to the cost of recreational diving. But the added cost gave significant benefits to safety and comfort of the dive experience. I don't see the added cost out weighing the additional expense. As for the weight difference, I could see other solutions to that (like donning and doffing gear in the water or using sidemount to reduce back strain).
I think a lot of the benefit is to newer divers or divers that don't dive much. Easier neutral buoyancy when you only dive on vacation once or twice a year would be worth the cost to some divers. A dive vacation is not cheap and the additional cost of avelo vs making your time in the water more enjoyable is a worthwhile cost for a lot of folks. Especially if you are diving with rental gear where you don't know your correct weights.

Every new technology doesn't seem necessary if you already are happy with your kit and everything works for you as is. I think air integration is cool, but I don't think I would spend the money as I am used to looking at my SPG and frankly looking at my dive computer instead just doesn't seem worth the cost. Avelo is the same, I think it would be cool to try and would love to lose 15 lbs of weight, but probably won't try it as I am happy with what I normally use.
 
I thought you might like to see the height difference between the Avelo System and an AL80

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@Wants2divemore Op said you can use your own in a previous post.

Also, dang, I'd never seen the side by side comparison. That's extremely bulky, in comparison. Is it the internal bladder taking up extra space or what? Because you could probably get 100-130 feet of gas with an equivalent sized steel tank, and to be honest, I'm not sure Avelo's worth more than a 25-60% increase in bottom time.
 
Yikes.

Now I understand why they require a DIN connection and rig the valve opening on the "wrong" side.
The 300 bar DIN connection is for the tank pressure. I'm not sure how it would work facing the normal position. I was going to try it but then the pump connector would be on the wrong side, no go. The tank is tall, I could not find the height, probably near a HP 120. I'm only 5'10", I find it unwieldy on land, don't notice it underwater.
Do they require you to use their regs or can you use your own?
I used my own regulator set on my last and on this visit, Scubapro MK25, S600 on a 40" hose, bungeed C370, Oceanic MH8A transmitter and my Teric running the Avelo Mode.
 
Given they don't have to accommodate a wing/bladder, it feels like they could make the hydrotank a bit wider. Nothing crazy, but you figure, volume increases with the square of radius, vs increasing linearly with length. It feels like you could shorten the tank to normal length if you added just a bit to the radius.
 
Given they don't have to accommodate a wing/bladder, it feels like they could make the hydrotank a bit wider. Nothing crazy, but you figure, volume increases with the square of radius, vs increasing linearly with length. It feels like you could shorten the tank to normal length if you added just a bit to the radius.
Perhaps it's fitting into boat tank slots like 7.25 and 8 inch HP steel cylinders
 
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