Review Diving the Avelo System

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Still not sure why one would need to rely on a battery-dependent system with multiple failure points: battery itself, charging connectors, wiring, operating switch, pump with all its parts, etc) and for what? Buoyancy control??

It doesn't come to solve any problem, and whatever it "solves" creates more potential issues.. Seems like a gimmick trying to reinvent something that works just fine.

We shouldn't be against new technology development and innovation in scuba- on the opposite- but this thing just isn'it one of these.
 
I have similar thoughts. The tank seems pretty awesome but only if you can get it up to 300 bar and make a real difference in the gas you have available. If you start getting complicated with a battery and pump, why not just go closed circuit and be able to stay down all day. IMHO.
 
.....I did not do the other two Avelo dives and switched back to my traditional gear for the rest of the day. Dive Friends found a defect in the wiring harness and repaired it by the end of the next day.
So if I go out and buy a set of Avelo gear, just make sure I also travel with a complete set of traditional gear. So much simpler......
 
So if I go out and buy a set of Avelo gear, just make sure I also travel with a complete set of traditional gear. So much simpler......
It's rental gear. He said he used it for 3 days out of a 2 week trip.

I don't see this taking off for private sales any time soon. Especially for travel since you are tied to their rental centers anyway for tanks.

Avelo seems to be targeting a market of rich, casual divers. I'm not sure how large that market is. Maybe it's big enough to have a sustainable business, but the current requirements for expensive training that is additional to OW must be a real obstacle. If this market exists, to tap into it, they need to figure out how to offer their own DSD and OW - or at least Supervised Diver - courses.
 
@scubadada Good to know they did you right as far as the system issue went. Obviously, it's hard to make an opinion of an anecdote like that one, since I have no idea if the wiring issue you had is a single, one off issue, or something that happens more often. Good to see that the failure mode presented no risk, but you'd still hate for it to ruin a dive day, especially if it does turn out this is a common issue. Similarly, good to know you could compensate for the lack of weight with extra water ballast. Nice to have that flexibility.

To clarify, does the pump normally run the whole minute, or was not being able to stop it part of the failure?

I would say, similar to @Jai Bar, I have a bit of concern with rental electronic systems as a whole. If nothing else, batteries tend to get crappy after enough use, and I'd be concerned a cheapskate dive operator might give me a faulty battery and spoil my day, which would pretty crushing, since even if they comp it, I'm out a day of my limited vacation dive time. That being said, depending on many factors (battery quality, quality of the company you rent from) this could be a complete non-issue, and ultimately you could avoid many of the risks by renting an extra battery. Other failures could likewise be mitigated through good quality control and rigorous maintenance. Just something to chew on I suppose.

@teksimple I mean, I don't dive rebreathers, but I'm given to understand they require a massive time and money investment, and are a perishable skill with very dangerous consequences for misuse. Wonderful equipment that I'd some day like to be trained on, but different target audience entirely.

@lowwall I would say this is something of a punishment for being an early adopter as well. Ultimately, if Avelo continues as a company, I would presume their product will be much less prone to any form of issue ten years from now than it is today, as they continue to develop it and iterate it. But yeah, at the moment, I think there's a reason OP travels with his standard gear even in a place he can dive Avelo. Though I suppose saving on rental costs is also a perk.

Which, while I'm on the subject, is something of a gripe of mine with the whole concept. Like, personally, I dislike renting. I'm willing to rent Al 80's if I were to travel to dive (which I don't, currently, but would like to eventually), but the AL 80 is fairly cheap and easy to get access to most anywhere. Paying $110 (or $90 as the case may be) extra per day of diving feels a little steep. The one dive charter I've been on, in Hawaii, was $250, all inclusive, two single tank dives. So for two days worth of renting Avelo, I could dive an extra day. Possibly even more, since I now have my own travel friendly gear (as much as scuba gear is ever travel friendly).

But since Avelo is both proprietary and hard to travel with, owning my own isn't really an option. You kind of have to rent, unless you happen to live at a dive destination. Does anyone know if charters have started offering Avelo as part of the charter, at similar prices to standard scuba? Or even a reasonable markup for the premium experience (ie, if standard was $250, Avelo's $280-300)? Because that would change the equation a bit.
 
So unless you are exclusively a vacation diver and only go to dive centers with the Avelo system, what is the point? You have to master buoyancy otherwise. And you need to master buoyancy in case of failure.

So why bother?

For those who have made the effort to properly weigh themselves, do you even think about buoyancy when you dive? It should barely take any thought.
 
@wetb4igetinthewater I mean, I'm a local diver, and I mostly do bottom crawls, so I'm not really the best one to answer this, but one of the (relatively few) other divers I know irl is a dude that only dives in tropical locations when he's on vacation. I'd say Avelo would probably suit him well, but when I asked him about it, he'd never heard of it, and didn't really seem to care about the idea, so I'm not entirely sure how you go about enticing the relatively hands off, "I dive what I'm handed by the charter crew" diver to take the course and seek out the product.

I suppose that's why I'm not in marketing.
 
Hi @SouthernSharktoothDiver

When you activate the pump, it will run for one minute if you take no further action. If you push the button during the pump run, it will stop. It is often best to run the pump for a shorter period during the dive. The fact that the pump would not stop was part of the failure. On my second and third day, the pump ran normally.

I posted my initial review and the two follow ups because I thought SB readers would be interested in hearing about the Avelo System from an experienced diver. I appreciate the fact that Avelo produced the modified Jetpack for me so that I could continue to dive it after my initial training. The modified Jetpack stays in Bonaire, I don't know if anybody else has used it. My wife and I spend at least 2 weeks in Bonaire each year and I am glad to have the opportunity to dive Avelo for a few days while I am there. I will dive it again on our next visit. Since 1997, I have 2,468 dives with traditional gear and 20 dives with Avelo.

I have tried to be straightforward in my assessment of the Avelo gear:
Buoyancy: It is extremely easy to attain and maintain depth independent neutral buoyancy. My buoyancy with traditional gear is very good and is second nature to me.
Gas consumption: My gas consumption is the same with Avelo and traditional gear. I have very good gas consumption, averaging just over 0.3 cu ft/min for the very easy diving in Bonaire.
Equipment weight: For my diving in the warm water of Bonaire with a full 3 mm wetsuit, Avelo weighs 15 pounds less than my traditional gear. This is not a tremendous amount of weight, but it is noticeable, especially when getting out of the water.
Fun: Yes, I think it is fun.

Other divers, with varying amounts of experience and skill, might very well have different opinions of diving Avelo vs. traditional gear. I would be interested in hearing from them.
 
Do they give you 4 full tanks so you don't need to get back after the first dive and the second dive etc? I do 4 dives a day on Bonaire and don't want to spent time waiting for fills or driving back and then go again.
 
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