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Cheetah223:
Good enough for me, I'm sold on Halcyon or DSS. I'm still kind of staring blankly wondering in my mind which to go with, mostly because my brain's fried from three solid days of homework, on the bright side - I managed to learn an unbelievable amount about bp/w's and I started and completed a semester of World History and can now graduate a week early :D

It's going to be Kool-Aid for you, buster. I can read the writing on the wall. :D
 
LOL!!

Horseshoe shaped wings can trap air. Think about this. You're horizintal in the water, just like the book says you should be. You have air in the bladder of a horseshoe wing. How does air get from one side of the tank to the other? It goes across the top. So if you roll to your left, the air goes uphill to the right side, and vice versa. Problem. Assume you are slightly head down. Like you were looking down at something, or checking your weights, or your pocket, or something. Now the air won't travel side to side because it's stuck down on the prongs of the horseshoe. In order to get the air to move, you have to go slightly head up and roll. With a donut bladder, that air COULD just go around the bottom of the wing. Problem solved.

So there is a big push in the industry toward donut bladders right now. If you notice, most manufacturers try to make them in ovals so there is nice flow. Corners tend to trap air. They also create undue drag.

What's wrong with the Trek-Wing? Other than what we've already mentioned that the Dive Rite wings have in common.. nothing per se. It's just that there are other, better options out there now.

I look at it this way. Is it worth the $75-100 bucks to buy something you'll need to tweak and spend money on when you could have just waited a few weeks and gotten what you really wanted? For me, the answer was no. It's still no. Halcyon gear is too pricey for me in most cases. Dive Rite has some good stuff in their catalogs, unfortunately their wings aren't among them. DSS doen't make or sell any crap that I've seen thus far so it's a "safe" buy. Oxycheq for the most part is the same, though he rebrands a lot of stuff. Most people do that though, so it's not a knock against him.

I can't comment specifically on the Trek wing, but it looks far from ideal to me.

Cheetah223:
Ahh man, now I have another question. Hahaha, sorry guys! Why do I see so much hostility to 'horseshoe' wings that don't have a constant bladder? Seems to me you'd be more likely to trap air in a donut shaped wing..

Looking at Diverite's site it looks like that deal (for a 40# wing) would have to be the Trek wing. Their site doesn't say a whole lot about it other than the typical promotional mumbo-jumbo...Would you guys advise to go for the cheaper package, or wait and get a Halcyon? What's good and what's bad about the DR wings, specifically the trek?
 
The Venture Wing is the wing for singles in the Dive Rite line. The RecWing traps air like Perrone described, much in the same way as a Zeagle.
 
Cheetah223:
Ahh man, now I have another question. Hahaha, sorry guys! Why do I see so much hostility to 'horseshoe' wings that don't have a constant bladder? Seems to me you'd be more likely to trap air in a donut shaped wing..

Looking at Diverite's site it looks like that deal (for a 40# wing) would have to be the Trek wing. Their site doesn't say a whole lot about it other than the typical promotional mumbo-jumbo...Would you guys advise to go for the cheaper package, or wait and get a Halcyon? What's good and what's bad about the DR wings, specifically the trek?

Can't help with that one, all of my wings have been configured for doubles. No donuts for me.

I've owned a couple of DR wings as well as a Halcyon. It's been my experience that the H-wing trims out better than the DR wings. One way to check for yourself is assemble your gear, inflate the wing and see how it floats the tank. The closer it is to level by itself, the easier it wil be to trim out.

If you have the opportunity to try them out before you buy, do so.

Ditto on the Rec wing trapping air. Haven't experienced that problem with the DR Classic or the H-wing.
 
Cave Diver:
Ditto on the Rec wing trapping air. Haven't experienced that problem with the DR Classic or the H-wing.

Man, what tanks are you using with the Classic? My AL80s trap air something AWFUL with the Classic. Not that I didn't know better. But it is a lesson in wing management every time I dive! :)
 
PerroneFord:
Horseshoe shaped wings can trap air. Think about this. You're horizintal in the water, just like the book says you should be. You have air in the bladder of a horseshoe wing. How does air get from one side of the tank to the other?

That makes perfect sense, I was thinking of having air get trapped in the bottom...ah I don't know what I was thinking, it was wrong though :11doh: lol.

I'm one of those people who has "the best of everything" complex, so I'll probably end up saving longer to get the Halcyon rig. It's a blessing and a curse, for sure haha.
 
PerroneFord:
Man, what tanks are you using with the Classic? My AL80s trap air something AWFUL with the Classic. Not that I didn't know better. But it is a lesson in wing management every time I dive! :)

Dual LP112's.

My Rec wings seemed to work better with 2xAL80's, but with my 112's the hoses "pinch" the top of them causing air trapping. I haven't had that problem with either the Classics or the H-wing, but something about the Halcyon shape seems to help it trim out better. FWIW, my Halcyon is an older style and has a slightly different shape than some of their newer ones.

I've learned a few lessons in wing management myself. :wink:
 
Just wanted to say that the "best" is not always the most expensive.

Customer service is worth a lot.

Take a good long look at the DSS equipment. It's worth your time.
 
A set of wings that always seem to get overlooked,but is probably is one of the best for durability and shape,is the SeaTec wing. I've used the same wing for over 10 years on my back mount,and it has proven to be very reliable,and has great trim.

I do like the Trek wing. I am still a fan of the Dive Rite Junior wing which isn't made anymore,but the Trek wing is much more durable. I use a set of sidemount 120s with this wing,and am very please with the job it does.
 
Karstdvr,

You are only the second person I've EVER heard mention the Seatec wing. I've have never seen one for sale. Where do you get them?? He seemed to love his as well.

I've never had a Trek wing in the water. Just looked like it had a funny shape to me. What config are you in when you use it?
 
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