Diver out of air? Not really? Cozumel.

[SoccerJeni]

The distance isn't necessarily an issue. The biggest problem I saw was the DM was practically dragging the other diver around. Would have been very easy for the reg to get pulled out of his mouth.

Yes, that was my concern while watching.

 

[Mike]

Well, I personally am glad I saw it as a new diver. But, I guess everyone is different. I understand the thoughts behind what some have explained here as extending the dive time. But, watching the video I did see that I was uncomfortable with the distance between the 2 divers sharing air. I'm sure not all of Cozumel is like that, but I am glad I know that's what some operations do.

As a new diver, maybe the lesson is if you're sharing air with somebody like that, use your fins and legs for what they are for and keep up with him, keep next to him.

Yes, I know, the DM was calus and un-feeling for his tethered burden, however, his new insta-buddy is a CERTIFIED diver.

I'm sorry, I know I'm wearing you all out. However, I just don't see the big deal. I don't see why the OP finds this so alarming other than to beat a personal drum against Cozumel for whatever reason he dislikes the place, and somehow he believes this video works to his advantage in doing so.

We are all certified divers and responsible for our own safety. Sure with enough dives, you're going to see lots of stuff under water that you'll find strange, bizarre, distasteful, far from 'best practices' or just plain stupid, but that's never going to change, they don't bar stupid people from diving.

 

[SoccerJeni]

As a new diver, maybe the lesson is if you're sharing air with somebody like that, use your fins and legs for what they are for and keep up with him, keep next to him.

Yes, I know, the DM was calus and un-feeling for his tethered burden, however, his new insta-buddy is a CERTIFIED diver.

I'm sorry, I know I'm wearing you all out. However, I just don't see the big deal. I don't see why the OP finds this so alarming other than to beat a personal drum against Cozumel for whatever reason he dislikes the place, and somehow he believes this video works to his advantage in doing so.

We are all certified divers and responsible for our own safety. Sure with enough dives, you're going to see lots of stuff under water that you'll find strange, bizarre, distasteful, far from 'best practices' or just plain stupid, but that's never going to change, they don't bar stupid people from diving.

No problem, I'm not worn out. I will just re-iterate that I wouldn't choose to do it myself. I don't like the whole idea. I don't want to be underwater and be concerned about making the dive last as long as it can for other divers and being attached to that DM. But, that's my prerogative as a paying customer. So, everyone has their preferences and it's good we all get to make the decision how we want to spend our hard earned money.

 

[Down2bizDiver]

At what depth did the gas-sharing event take place?

90 - 100 feet

 

[DevonDiver]

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[Down2bizDiver]

Showing the diver's face on the boat is public shaming and unnecessary to make the point.

I did not intend to, and did not, "publicly shame" the diver. Had I desired to "publicly shame" the diver, I certainly could have.

Unless you are that diver, it is mere speculation on your part that the opening scene of people on a boat includes the diver in distress.

 

[Gombessa]

I did not intend to, and did not, "publicly shame" the diver. Had I desired to "publicly shame" the diver, I certainly could have.

Unless you are that diver, it is mere speculation on your part that the opening scene of people on a boat includes the diver in distress.

Craig,

Given the moderation recently performed on this topic, I propose we move this tangential discussion to PM if you wish to continue, and if you'll agree to keep the discussion rational and not insulting to common sense (e.g., the previous claim that the boat shots could be from another trip in another country).

I have screencaps from your FLV saved and would be happy use them to point out privately to you what I mean, and I'm sure you will appreciate that this also means no funny business as to what was or was not uploaded, or what was or was not visible.

I did not intend to, and did not, "publicly shame" the diver. Had I desired to "publicly shame" the diver, I certainly could have.

For the record, I'm not inferring intent on your part of shaming the diver, merely lamenting that it is nonetheless the result of having shown his face in a video highlighting poor diving practices.

I feel that the in-water portions of your video and your core message are quite appropriate for this forum, and have generated good discussion points on dive safety. I also feel that NONE of these points would lose their merit if the video did not include the diver's face at the beginning--his face is irrelevant to the topics of general dive safety or best practices in Cozumel.

I for one would welcome a re-posting of the video without the in-boat scene, or with that scene explicitly subtitled to state that the diver in question isn't in-frame, cause anyone who pays attention can clearly see that there is ONLY ONE PERSON visible on the boat that exactly matches the in-water shots.

I look forward to discussing "Face-gate" with you further via PM, but I won't burden this subforum anymore with it here.

 

[Down2bizDiver]

Gombessa, I have nothing more to say. I am not interested in corresponding with you.

 

[Down2bizDiver]

Interested in viewing the video? Copy the following and paste it into a PM to me:

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In response and in my sole discretion, I may or may not send you the link. There is no fee or charge. The video is 3 minutes 40 seconds in length.

 

[Mike]

I don't like the whole idea. I don't want to be underwater and be concerned about making the dive last as long as it can for other divers and being attached to that DM. But, that's my prerogative as a paying customer. So, everyone has their preferences and it's good we all get to make the decision how we want to spend our hard earned money.

Well, it's nice for you to only be concerned with your own hard earned money paid for a dive, however maybe at some point you'll consider that the other 4-5 divers along with you also paid for the dive with their hard earned money, and they might be concerned with their bottom time and making the most of their dive, even if you aren't.

Cut short enough dives and sooner or later you'll experience getting gentle tips from the other divers your diving with on how to extend your bottom time on the next dive. And if you don't take them you'll likely find yourself with a different group of divers the next day, wondering why you're not diving with the group you were with the day before.

This is why the most basic principle of a dive op separating dive groups by experience is so desired by experienced divers, and why experienced divers seek out dive ops who do so and dive ops like Aldora in Cozumel who put a heavy breather on the tether. Maybe you don't know it, but Aldora is one of the most expensive dive ops on Cozumel, if not the most expensive, and yet they have no shortage of customers willing to pay extra to dive with them. They are regarded as one of the most saftey minded dive ops on Coz and most progressive. They have single handedly saved many a dive vacation because they have slowly and safely openned up diving on the east coast of cozumel, being the only dive op out of over 200 on cozumel that can get a diver out to dive when the west side is closed to all divers.