Diver dead after accident in Lake Ontario near Oakville

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phaust

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AcePilot: i don't know Tobermory water temp, but in quebec, i didnt find anything warmner than 45F. and dive often in 32-34F temp.

last dive in ontario (brockville) temp was like 75F.. it's make a big difference.

anyway it's always depend what insulation you have.. drysuit, wet, etc etc. i don't think the quebec certification is GREAT, but sure it's saved live. and since they have like 1 full time employe and no databases or anything expect a papercard.. it's really low cost.

it's hard for a diveshop to know the experience of a diver, but im sure if you don't have a the card, and arguments and talk with the shop personnal you will be able to have your point and have your tank fill.

a few accident have made papers and was saying that was the diveshop fault, because they didnt ask for cards or certifications..

so now shop are backing their ass. and with a card like that it's easy.
 

smoritz0370

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Bringing this point here illustrates the absence, among many of English speaking neighbors, of knowledge in the differences between our two cultures.

Many have not swallowed the affirmation of our distinct identity that we have been experiencing for the past 40 years. An attitude of openness on both sides will assure future harmony. This petty comment has no place here.:shakehead:

Actually my family are allophones, ie they were immigrants to Quebec who spoke neither french nor english. They have all since left, either back to the country of origin or to other parts of Canada in part due to the intolerance inside Quebec for different cultures. I see however you have no issue taring "many" english speaking Canadians based on my comments alone. You are right I probably should have kept it to myself however, and for that I apologize.

The reference to paranoia was directed at the fact that I believe that every time there is an accident there is very low risk of incurring some form of policing for SCUBA diving and the constant histrionics every time to walk on egg shells for fear of this policing gets tiresome and I believe is mostly unfounded.
 

AcePilot

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AcePilot: i don't know Tobermory water temp, but in quebec, i didnt find anything warmner than 45F. and dive often in 32-34F temp.

FYI: 32F = 0 C Freezing temperature i.e. impossible! Your temperature sensor under reads by 8 to 10 F.
Even in winter under the ice temperature never drops below 1C = 33.8 F
And as you go deeper you get 4C = 39.2F (the water is the heaviest at this temperature so you can not get any colder than 39.2F at depth. (unless you are in the ocean)

Tobermory is cold unless you diving shallow wrecks.
For example last weekend:
Wreck of Forest City: thermocline at 70 feet – 42F = 5.5C below thermocline
Wreck of Arabia: thermocline at 45 feet – 44F = 6.6C below thermocline
At the same time
Wreck of Sweepstakes: shorty temperature Sergey Zinchenko's Photos | Facebook

IMHO Experience (logged recent dives) must be used to determine if diver is qualified to dive a particular dive site.
South qualified diver has no problem diving Tobermory Sweepstakes BUT same diver MUST NOT dive Arabia or Forest City.
 

DCBC

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The PQ certification has nothing to do with cold water. The water temp in Atlantic Canada is a hell of a lot colder. It has everything to do with accountability. If government can't depend on the industry to establish reasonable training standards, they have no choice but to step in. This isn't new, it was the reason for the establishment of the OUC and the other Provincial Councils in the beginning....
 

Graeme Tolton

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This sure has gotten off track... If you want to discuss english/french issues, this should be split... and quite frankly, I dont believe that the old english/french thing should be discussed on this board at all, ESPECIALLY when it has absolutely nothing to do with this tragic event.
 

Cruisin Home

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I love New hampshire, motto = live free or die. It is our right to do the things we do knowing that at anytime we can die from it. I am so against more restrictions, but it is why we need to control our own society and help promote good educational diving within our ranks. It is why this forum is so important to analyze, criticize etc the accidents that happen so we maybe can make our sport better. That attitude has really helped NASCAR without losing the excitement factor.
 

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It is always very tragic when these things happen. People must learn they can only dive to their training and expeirence. Anyone with a pocket full of money can buy course after course after course, what people need to realize you must also take time to gain some personal expeirence. Charter operators need to tighten up and check certifications and only people to dive to their certifications. People get too complacent with diving, the gear is practically fail-safe, the computers are all you really need to find out safe deco schedules, they are very advanced as we know. I see these people with the "who needs a course" to know how to do hard core dives, it's hopefully not a trend of deep diving to come. The most important thing these courses teach is emergency preparedness, that's what lacks in these hot dog divers.
 

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