Dive flag vs Alpha flag

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emcbride81

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Here is a nice, brief explanation of the difference in the two dive flags. I was unsure of the use of the Alfa flag, so I asked the almight Google Gods and found this.

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Two flags are mandated for display in most parts of the United States and Canada when a boat or ship has divers in the water. Considerable confusion exists as to the differences between these two flags, if any, and why a dive boat has to use two separate signals. In fact, the two flags serve quite different purposes.


The 1972 International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea and the United States Inland Navigation Rules provide for an elaborate series of day-shapes and lights to be displayed by large vessels whose maneuverability is restricted by the conduct of underwater operations, such as cable-laying, dredging, or conducting diving operations. Smaller vessels that are not able to hoist the complex signals used by large ships are instead required to display a rigid version of the International Code of Signals flag for the letter "A," known as ALFA, at least one meter high if diving operations restrict their ability to maneuver. Not all boats from which divers are swimming are necessarily so restricted. Generally, only vessels to which the divers are physically connected by communication lines, air hoses, or the like are affected by this requirement. It does not apply to most instances of sport diving, where the divers are swimming free of the vessel. As recent Coast Guard Notices to Mariners emphasize: "The ALFA flag is a navigational signal intended to protect the vessel from collision."

By contrast, the red and white diver-down flag, originally devised in about 1957, is intended to protect divers themselves. This flag is often referred to as unofficial or voluntary because it is not mandated by the international or inland rules of the road. This assertion is erroneous. The use of the diver down flag is required by state law or regulation in virtually every state of the Union, as well as by various Federal agencies exercising jurisdiction over waters where diving takes place (such as the National Park Service) and by the Canadian Occupational Safety and Health Regulation. Typically, the laws or regulations on the use of this flag require divers to display the flag and to remain within a specified distance of it when they are near the surface. This often means the flag is best mounted on a float or buoy near the actual dive point rather than on the boat itself. Restrictions vary from state to state, but typically include a zone around the flag where no other boats are allowed and a second, larger zone in which their speed is limited. A number of states also prohibit the display of the diver-down flag when a diver is not actually in the water.
 
"Diver Down" is only recognized in the 'Americas' (US, carib etc) whereas alpha is a internationally accepted signal for divers in the water. That was my understanding of things.

When stationary, under international maritime signaling agreements the Alpha flag means "I have diver(s) down', when moving it means 'I am limited in movement and can not adhere to the standard rules of navigation'. (this can be due to underwater activities or speed trials
 
Here in Oregon you are required to fly the Alpha flag. The Diver Down flag is not recognized by the state.
 
The alpha flag is not an indication of divers in the water. It literally means the vessel is limited in its ability to maneuver because it is conducting underwater operations. Those operations may or may not include divers. There are places where one flag or the other and often both are required by local law when diving from a boat. In some instances state law will require the divers down flag while federal law will require the alpha flag. Laws vary from one location to another, but the alpha flag is recognized through international rules of the road.
 
Walter:
Alfa? Never heard of it. Alpha, on the other hand.........

I thought alpha as well, but I saw it on a website as alfa. It is actually on reputable government sites as alfa! I dunno...I half allways ben a strong speler, so I thinc you mite be rong yourcellph. :D
 
Neither one will keep a jet ski off of you. I think this maybe why I have seen divers carrying Glocks pistols. I wonder if they need a submarine carry permit for that.

Some boaters know what the red Divers Down flag is, very few have a clue as to the alpha flag. The government cannot spell and thus we want to turn health care over to them--yeah, that will work.

So, in the Peoples State of Oregon, a shore diver tows what flag?

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Nemrod:
I think this maybe why I have seen divers carrying Glocks pistols. I wonder if they need a submarine carry permit for that.
If it's clear water, you just need a license, but for low-viz and blackwater operations you're in CCW territory. ;)

As for which flag a shore diver would fly, if you weren't flying a flag, you wouldn't have a vessel to fly it from, so you wouldn't have a reason to fly the blue-and-white swallowtail. On the other hand, if a state law requires you to fly the red-and-white, would the float from which it is flying count as a vessel (obviously one incapable of showing the large-ship-style signals), and therefore require you to fly both? :D
 
In Oregon the law as far as I know only applys to boaters. Shore divers are not required to tow a dive flag. Either way, both are ignored equally. In Washington it's enforced on a county by county basis but the Diver Down flag is what is recognized up there.
 
I think they are both pretty!!
 

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