Disturbing trend in diving?

[Pressurehead]

What was that??

Weird, right?

 

[rongoodman]

Although I download my dives from a Shearwater computer, I still log on paper, which astounds many other divers I meet on boats and on my travels.

While I don’t bother with it, it’s fairly common for me to see a few divers filling out log books on the boats I’ve been on.

 

[boulderjohn]

. In the US divers have been sued following an accident involving a random assigned buddy.

I don't believe this has ever happened.

I read it. On the internet.

Thread 'Legal liability of dive buddy'

Apr 17, 2012

Hey all,

I have been doing some reading and thinking lately and came across this Scuba Diving Buddies: Rights, Obligations, and Liabilities by Phyllis G. Coleman :: SSRN The paper looks like a law students addressing the courts decisions on legal liability with buddies. The decisions seem to be inconsistent. I know from medical malpractice, fault and payments are more based on bad outcomes then actual neglect.

My buddy is there for emergencies. If I intend to use my buddy in an emergency it is MY responsibility to stay near him (and vise versa). It is not my job to manage my...

• jimmy71
• Replies: 63
• Forum: Diving Litigation

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I read through the study. There is not a single mention of a case in which suing a randomly assigned buddy was even attempted, let alone being a successful suit.

In fact, there are precious few cases of any kind involving buddies. Most of the very few cases there involved professionals, like instructors.

 

[Leatherboot69]

In the UK at least, there is no legal compulsion to attempt to help. Any claim of negligence would be tested against ‘what would someone with a similar level of experience be reasonably expected to have done in the same circumstances?’.

 

[dmaziuk]

I hear in these United States of Litigation there's also concerns about blame games after an unsuccessful attempt to help.

 

[Nemrod]

Hi @Nemrod

I log my dives because I like to and it makes me happy. I have gone back to them many times, for myself and for others.

You remember your seawater aspiration, nearly drowning and having pneumonia. I remember when I was hit by a boat in Delray during a summer squall. Luckily, for both of us, most of the memories are much more pleasant than those

LOL . Yeah. That dive in Jupiter Ledge where my dh regulator filled with water and then shot it down my throat was quite the surprise and not an exaggeration in any way. The pneumonia from seawater inspiration and the blackout, so nice. What fun, maybe I will try to do that again---NOT!!!!!!!!! I was told those duble hose things would try to kill me and they was right and it did near about. And I do not need a log to remind me of that . I am absolutely lucky to be here.

I wish I had kept a log and put pictures from each dive in it. That would be fun. I might would have left that one out of the official record .

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

Your post sounds like what you want to be true because it makes sense and it's upsetting to believe there are things in the world that defy logic and common sense.

But there are.

They can try but it doesn't mean they are going to win.
And then there would be my counter suit.

 

[boulderjohn]

They can try but it doesn't mean they are going to win.
And then there would be my counter suit.

According to the study cited in post

They can try but it doesn't mean they are going to win.
And then there would be my counter suit.

According to the 2008 study he cited in post 328, it has never even been tried.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

According to the study cited in post

According to the 2008 study he cited in post 328, it has never even been tried.

It's asinine is what it is.
Total waste of time.

 

[John C. Ratliff]

LOL . Yeah. That dive in Jupiter Ledge where my dh regulator filled with water and then shot it down my throat was quite the surprise and not an exaggeration in any way. The pneumonia from seawater inspiration and the blackout, so nice. What fun, maybe I will try to do that again---NOT!!!!!!!!! I was told those duble hose things would try to kill me and they was right and it did near about. And I do not need a log to remind me of that . I am absolutely lucky to be here.

I wish I had kept a log and put pictures from each dive in it. That would be fun. I might would have left that one out of the official record .

Yes, this was the dive that took Nemrod out of our “vintage diving community.” I don’t think he’s used a double hose regulator since. Nemrod, we miss you and won’t hold you to using a double hose regulator again, but there is a lot of single hose diving to be discussed too in the vintage forums. We just had a discussion of the “R-valve,” and restrictor orifices for use in the early 1960s, for instance.

To get this back on track, divers of yesteryear used their J-valves in fairly shallow water to determine when to end a dive, rather than a Divemaster (DM). Those today who are dependent on a DM for their no decompression limits (NDL) and other safety matters really are not competent divers, at least in the “vintage” sense of diving.

SeaRat