DIR/GUE - No steel stage bottles

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To be precise :D it's a double fault:
- pre-dive
- pre-drill - proper sequence includes backup purge
Furthermore, an S-drill and/or a flow check at the start of the dive would have found the problem before the dive ever even got under way.

People often chide DIR divers for being so anal about pre-dive checks, but here is a perfect example of why we do this sort of thing. The time to find a problem is before the start of the dive, not when there is an emergency during the dive.
 
Ben, it's not a short cut. If you don't have to deploy the full length, why would you? Then you just have to manage that hose that is out there. It's not a mechanical way of diving...sure, the motions should be built into muscle memory, but remember that whole bit about being a thinking diver? This is just another facet of it.
 
DIR-Atlanta and MonkSeal, thanks for the feedback/link

Questions, if I may:

My backup reg did purge, as it still had hose pressure - should I have purged longer to avoid this problem? In an actual OOA situation, does this still stand, or is it only a drill procedure while you're learning the skill?

The drills/simulations I did included me feeling/looking at both sides & looking at my SPG after first isolating (ie before closing posts or switching regs), and my instructor then signalling either SPG pressure drop (indicating left post leak) or gauge steady (indicating right post leak)

The GUE link posted differs, and said to isolate only after the reg switch - I was taught to isolate first as part of the diagnostic procedure (see above). Assuming you prefer the GUE method, can you explain why?

I can understand that it's safer that way for a drill, but does it teach you the diagnostic skill you will require? Or perhaps that is something that is taught later with GUE in a more advanced drill?

I'm not DIR/GUE bashing - always happy to change my process if I understand the benefit

TIA
 
My backup reg did purge, as it still had hose pressure - should I have purged longer to avoid this problem?
Purge should return sufficient information if you'll be able to breath from this reg when you need it - you can feel if the pressure is going down or 2nd stage is supplied with continuous flow.

In an actual OOA situation, does this still stand, or is it only a drill procedure while you're learning the skill?
No, in OOG you go for a backup without any purging. If you notice that you left post is closed at that moment (e.g. during V-drill when your left post is closed), you simply open the valve. If this does not solve the problem then you probably forgot that you islolated and your left tank is empty :) but you still have your wing inflator as a 3rd reg.

The drills/simulations I did included me feeling/looking at both sides & looking at my SPG after first isolating (ie before closing posts or switching regs), and my instructor then signalling either SPG pressure drop (indicating left post leak) or gauge steady (indicating right post leak)
Realisticly, any leak that can cause visible pressure drop on SPG will be detected before with hearing bubble stream. It's faster and more productive to concentrate on audial detection then to go for SPG.

The GUE link posted differs, and said to isolate only after the reg switch - I was taught to isolate first as part of the diagnostic procedure (see above). Assuming you prefer the GUE method, can you explain why?

I can understand that it's safer that way for a drill, but does it teach you the diagnostic skill you will require? Or perhaps that is something that is taught later with GUE in a more advanced drill?
First of all, don't mix V-drill with failures resolving because those are two different things. Drill does not teach you diagnostic skill. Drill is a drill: reaching valves, being confident with valves turning direction, being aware of valves status, being stable in water column, being aware of the environment, performing drill in safe manner, etc.

Diagnostic and resolving is taught at Tech-1 level and above. Just a few thoughts about it although this subject has been addresed several times. We don't go blindly to any post because then it's not diagnostic - it's pure guessing. The goal is to find proper solution as fast as possible. The fact is that highest chance for failure is at right post - if we feel bubles at right side we go for right reg first (switch, team attention); if bubbles stop, that's it; if bubbles continue we isolate. Isolating first can save few seconds in case of burst disk problem or one side manifold problem but will give no information in diagnostic process.
 
Okay thanks, I got most of that - except:

Purge should return sufficient information if you'll be able to breath from this reg when you need it - you can feel if the pressure is going down or 2nd stage is supplied with continuous flow

How do I know if pressure is going down when purging?


The fact is that highest chance for failure is at right post

I don't understand why right post is the highest chance
 
I don't understand why right post is the highest chance

Its the one that is used the most or is the most "active".
 
I hate to say this, but your instructor appears to have been as much at fault here as you were, for not teaching you the correct procedure for a valve shutdown drill, and (IMO, at least) for not adequately supervising the skill as you were doing it.

GUE instructors (and possibly others as well) teach a very specific sequence for a valve shutdown exercise, that is designed to avoid exactly the situation you experienced. Furthermore, both the instructor and your student buddy should be observing you during the drill, ready to donate gas at the slightest sign of a problem...

For the record, I agree completely. Something wrong in the basic protocol that was being taught or the original demo.
 
Because it's the one used when refilling tanks?

No.

Because you breathe.
 
Just to clarify - The most likely failure is your 1st stage. Your right post first stage is working the most since it's the one your primary second stage is attached to. Hence, statistically speaking, your right post is a good place to start if you are unsure where the leak is coming from.

You can fill from either valve and the only thing that can really fail in the valves is the burst disk and neck o-ring. Neither of these are effected by which side you fill from.

Hunter
 

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