DIR: God's gift to diving or Hell spawn?

[AquaTec]

I agree. This is why i stated earlier that it isn't really DIR but GUE that may be the problem.

under your description I am DIR, and I see a lot of value in it.

I breath the long hose, use backplate and wings, have a canister light mounted to my right hip, etc. but i am not DIR because i use two or more 80cu/ft deco bottles evenly balanced on right and left sides, and i mount my Argon bottle to my back plate.

so I beleive that we should not confuse DIR style of diving with GUE training, I think that the attitude i was reffering toi may come from GUE training.

To answer wreckwritters question
"who follow DIR principles but are NOT GUE trained. Where do we fit into this argument? Not all of the tech instuctors who teach DIR principles are GUE"

Then you do not have cool initials you are TDI or IANTD or PADI trained. much of that training uses DIR principles. I beleive that GUE did not invent many of them, they just gave it cool initials. however it is probably the reason you do not have a closed minded dirogatory attitude about other styles of diving.

If you are not trained GUE then you are not GUE no matter how much you whant to be or how much you read on the internet. the same can be said foa any set of initials out there.

 

[King Kong Matt]

AquaTec once bubbled...
I agree. This is why i stated earlier that it isn't really DIR but GUE that may be the problem.

under your description I am DIR, and I see a lot of value in it.

I breath the long hose, use backplate and wings, have a canister light mounted to my right hip, etc. but i am not DIR because i use two or more 80cu/ft deco bottles evenly balanced on right and left sides, and i mount my Argon bottle to my back plate.

so I beleive that we should not confuse DIR style of diving with GUE training, I think that the attitude i was reffering toi may come from GUE training.

Sorry...I should be more clear...you're absolutely right in that BP/Wings/Hogarthian and other variations in gear configurations should obviously not be considered synonomous with DIR/GUE...that is not what I meant.

 

[Jonathan]

Oh KKM I wish what you say were true - if any newbie turns up and asks a question that is not O/W the DIR crew jump on and ram DIR down the poor persons throat!

There are other option out there.

As I stated after reading the DIRF book - there was nothing startling new in there. A lot of the stuff I already did, I may be relatively new to this game but I started and baught my rig about two years before I had heard of DIR.

In fact if it was not for this board I probably would not have. Is that ignorance on my part or due to the fact that 99% of instructors are based in the US?

Oh yes - and since when has the number of posts to this board been an indication of expoerience? I'd love it if JJ, GI, GG or any of the others turned up anonymously and got slammed because they only had a handfull of posts registered....

Jonathan

 

[WreckWriter]

King Kong Matt once bubbled...
Let's get back to the original idea here...Gentile. I do not know him personally, and here is where WreckWriter can shed some insight, but I have to believe that Gentile's rig is not that dissimilar to a lot of DIR rigs. BP/Wings...necklaced secondary with long hose primary. Again, I do not know, but I am willing to bet a shiny new penny that I'm right.

I'll admit that I don't really know. I haven't seen him in a few years nor have we discussed this sort of thing. What I will say is that based on what I do know of the way he dives I wouldn't bet against you, not completely. The long hose would surprize me a bit, the rest I'm pretty certain he does use.

He's an innovator. He will dive what works best for him and he's never been known for caring what anyone thought about it. He's also among the world's most experienced wreck divers so that in itself backs up his choices.

Whatever he is currently diving with, it works well. You can count on that.

Tom

 

[King Kong Matt]

Jonathan once bubbled...
Oh KKM I wish what you say were true - if any newbie turns up and asks a question that is not O/W the DIR crew jump on and ram DIR down the poor persons throat!

OK. I am sure everyone has a slightly different experience on this board and mine is certainly no more valid, or real, or accurate than yours.

That having been said, I will say again that I simply don't see this huge contingent of true blue DIR divers out there waiting at the console ready to smack everyone else around. The numbers don't lie - among 6000+ ScubaBoard users and approximately 120 active daily users, there cannot be more than 5-10 true DIR divers with the credentials and experience to command your attention and/or respect. The rest are posers and why the non-DIR crowd interested in having this debate continues to do themselves the dis-service of not treating them as such is beyond me.

Separate the wheat from the chaff...everyone knows the guys who know what they are talking about as opposed to the guys who got bit buy the bug and are just talking.

If we are just talking about the former group, the true DIR guys, would you still stick to your claims?

If so, then I apologize that I couldn't convince you and we should agree to respect one another's experience on the board while politely disagreeing.

Matt

 

[AquaTec]

I think under your name it should indicate your level of training and agency which you where trained.

then it would be easy to consider the souce, so that those who have loud voices but little training/experience would be weeded out for what they are, just a voice

 

[sheck33]

I would just like to point out that DIR is about more than just gear, so many seem to get stuck on the gear part of it.

 

[King Kong Matt]

AquaTec once bubbled...
I think under your name it should indicate your level of training and agency which you where trained.

then it would be easy to consider the souce, so that those who have loud voices but little training/experience would be weeded out for what they are, just a voice

You certainly can petition the powers that be for this addition under the Site Support forum, but between you me and the doorstep, I don't think that will ever happen...

I understand what you want out of this addition, but I am not sure that mandatory listing of credentials is going to get you there.

An example...a medical doctor with a specialty in hyperbaric medicine and an BOW card from PADI. Are you prepared to listen to him about deco theory and DCS risk? But PADI Open Water is the only thing that appears under his name...

You're never going to get an understanding of someone's experience or what they have to offer this board in a couple of lines about certs and agencies.

Matthew

 

[roakey]

The WKPP did not invent the long hose, the back plate, and the wing among many other devices that make up “DIR.” They just pulled everything together into a cohesive system.

However, this does not stop the antis from saying that DIR folks claim they invented everything and then striking down the strawman argument that they concocted. I’d like to say that we’ve put this one to rest, but like whack-a-mole it keeps popping up.

The claim that we claim the vast majority of divers are DIR on the board is a new one. At least it’s entertaining. Where was this claim made? Or is this yet another strawman? We’re not. I liken it to when seat belts were first introduced. Initially not many people saw them to be safer and there was lots of whining from folks that would rather be less safe under the guise of “personal preference.”

sheck33 hit the nail on the head. As long as you concentrate on the equipment aspect of DIR you’re missing the most important parts of the system.

Roak

 

[GreenDiverDown]