DIR Diver Specialty?

[Red Sea Shadow]

As far as I understand, DIR is a holistic approach. That's why the whole agency should be DIR oriented from the very first beginning if it aims at teaching DIR classes.

Do you think it's possible/applicable that a non DIR-oriented agency have a "DIR Diver Specialty" class?

 

[Jim Lapenta]

How would you set it up? Same skills and classroom instruction as a DIR class. DIR specialty might get the wrong idea to some people who would be expecting the same caliber of instruction and knowledge. What would you use as pass/fail/provisional standards? Why not just set up your AOW class to encompass the philosophy and gear all dives towards it. No fluff stuff like fish ID or Boat Diver. Only solid skills based dives that would truly impart knowledge and cover equipment configurations, deco, and excellent buoyancy and trim.

 

[Red Sea Shadow]

I'm talking about a class similar to UTD Essentials or GUE Fundamentals. The pass/fail/provisional standards are agency dependent. As a specialty class in a non DIR-oriented agency, it's not a pass ticket to more DIR training. It just introduces the student, which is an existing diver, to DIR principle and approach.

 

[lamont]

NAUI Tech basically just copied GUE's gear config and a lot of the procedures.

This comes down to an Agency issue and a semantic argument over what gets called DIR.

What is the motivation behind trying to figure out what the DIR 'label' applies to, anyway?

Does calling a NAUI Tech diver 'DIR' or 'not DIR' change anything about the way that diver actually dives?

As far as GUE is concerned, they're never going to accept any cross over training from another agency, because they want to make sure to enforce their own standards, and it doesn't matter if you call divers from other agencies 'DIR' or not.

 

[Red Sea Shadow]

As far as GUE is concerned, they're never going to accept any cross over training from another agency, because they want to make sure to enforce their own standards, and it doesn't matter if you call divers from other agencies 'DIR' or not.

Never say never They don't accept it now but who knows what's gonna happen in the future?

And if GUE continues on not accepting crossovers, UTD might accept it. Even if the two now-existing DIR agencies didn't accept crossovers, it's better for the non DIR-oriented certifying agency, as it will keep its customers.

 

[Red Sea Shadow]

NAUI Tech basically just copied GUE's gear config and a lot of the procedures.

This comes down to an Agency issue and a semantic argument over what gets called DIR.

What is the motivation behind trying to figure out what the DIR 'label' applies to, anyway?

Does calling a NAUI Tech diver 'DIR' or 'not DIR' change anything about the way that diver actually dives?

I'm not talking about a tech class. I'm talking about a recreational one.

I don't want to figure out what DIR label applies to. Actually I see people interested in DIR (whatever it is), to the extent that some instructors go for Essentials/Fundamentals classes. So my idea stems from the existing demand.

 

[StreetDoctor]

No I don't think a non-DIR agency should ever try and attempt a "DIR specialty". A one word response would have sufficed unfortunately the forum would not allow it.

 

[lamont]

I'm not talking about a tech class. I'm talking about a recreational one.

DIR comes from technical/cave diving.

If you divorce it entirely from its background, the term really becomes meaningless.

Are you talking about simply a recreational course to certify divers in a gear config similar to GUE? Then why descend into the semantic weeds over if to call it DIR or not? NAUI calls their gear config "NTEC", not "DIR", even though its practically a clone.

 

[Red Sea Shadow]

DIR comes from technical/cave diving.

If you divorce it entirely from its background, the term really becomes meaningless.

Are you talking about simply a recreational course to certify divers in a gear config similar to GUE? Then why descend into the semantic weeds over if to call it DIR or not? NAUI calls their gear config "NTEC", not "DIR", even though its practically a clone.

I'm talking about a class similar to UTD Essentials or GUE Fundamentals. The objective of these classes, as per their agencies, is to create a better diver. The pre-requisites do not include being a certified technical diver; only being a certified open water or 1* diver.

That's why I'm talking about a recreational class not a technical one.

 

[Red Sea Shadow]

No I don't think a non-DIR agency should ever try and attempt a "DIR specialty". A one word response would have sufficed unfortunately the forum would not allow it.

Glad that the forum doesn't allow it

Why do you think so?