DEP Deniers

[bmorescuba]

It's going to be a lot harder for Floridians to find sand in which to bury their heads once most of the beaches have been swallowed up by rising sea levels:

[In Florida, officials ban term 'climate change']

In Florida, officials ban term 'climate change' | Miami Herald Miami Herald

 

[iamrushman]

from the above link:

Instead, terms like “climate drivers” and “climate-driven changes” are used.

In Florida it will be hard to plan for climate change, he said, if officials can’t talk about climate change.



i guess it all in your terminology?

Read more here: In Florida, officials ban term 'climate change' | Miami Herald Miami Herald​

 

[Steve_C]

At a fundamental level if the ocean is rising it does not matter over the next few years whether it is just nature doing its thing or a result of human actions. The State of Florida needs to begin planning for the problem.

Even if it is a man encouraged problem, the state of Florida is a small piece of a big civilization. I really doubt that any one state, or even several states, can affect much beyond local pollution and runoff. But they should at least do that.

We had the same thing in NC. The legislature forbid the planning of more than x inches of sea level rise in Y years even though all the longer range forecasts are higher. Just pushing the costs downstream.

The US economy is a decreasing proportion of the world economy. We are a decreasing proportion of the world population. We should do what we can but barring a major volcanic eruption or meteor strike the seas are going to rise and we should be planning for it.

 

[100days-a-year]

So is the sea rising or the sky falling?

 

[Steve_C]

Buildup of denser CO2 over time might increase the atmosphere. Not sure. No idea how that relates to sky. The sea level rising is a side effect of average earth wide warming.

 

[Basking Ridge Diver]

So is the sea rising or the sky falling?

Might be the earth is just going back to flat - like it used to be in the old days...

 

[HalcyonDaze]

I'll give them an alternative term: "We're screwed."

 

[billinwilliamston]

Funny thing is that deniers are proud of their non belief, yet no one other than now fired political appointees from the prior administration say that such a policy existed. There is also no written or electronic evidence that such a policy existed. While parroted by the Herald, the article actually comes from the "Florida Center for Investigative Reporting", which is no friend of the current administration.

On the other hand, it does appear to be true that the catch phrase "global warming" is not used in state documents. Maybe that's just finding common ground. If you say "global warming" or even "climate change", you're going to get some push-back. If you say "the lowest tide is now ## inches closer to the roadway on 7 mile bridge than it was the bridge was built" and provide actual measurements and photographic evidence, that's much harder to dispute.

 

[HalcyonDaze]

Funny thing is that deniers are proud of their non belief, yet no one other than now fired political appointees from the prior administration say that such a policy existed. There is also no written or electronic evidence that such a policy existed. While parroted by the Herald, the article actually comes from the "Florida Center for Investigative Reporting", which is no friend of the current administration.

On the other hand, it does appear to be true that the catch phrase "global warming" is not used in state documents. Maybe that's just finding common ground. If you say "global warming" or even "climate change", you're going to get some push-back. If you say "the lowest tide is now ## inches closer to the roadway on 7 mile bridge than it was the bridge was built" and provide actual measurements and photographic evidence, that's much harder to dispute.

Of course it's former state employees - current employees discussing this would soon be former employees.

As far as common ground, I deal in provable facts. Such as having seawater in the streets of Miami Beach during a king tide. Nitpicking bull**** about how to polish that particular turd should be limited to speechwriters and not scientists writing technical documents.

 

[descent]

... I deal in provable facts. Such as having seawater in the streets of Miami Beach during a king tide. ...

We sure do live in interesting times, don't we?

I can't find the pics I saw on someone's FB feed of retail workers splashing back to their cars wearing office trash can-sized clear plastic trash liners over their shoes. They drove to work as usual. They parked in the regular places, all dry. Storm surge came up into the city. To get back to their cars, they had to wade several blocks through several inches of water. Is this normal now?


Last week in The Herald ...

[The archaeology team] discovered the submerged bricks, dating to the Civil War, about four months ago along a slice of old shoreline long buried a few feet deep under a parking lot [which had been built over the site of Seminole War-era Fort Dallas] ...

But when Carr started to piece together where the 1860s-era bricks were found — about a foot below the water table — and what he knew about construction, he came to a surprising conclusion: the artifacts provided proof that sea level in the area had risen more than a foot in the last century. Neither the bricks nor coconut palms would have existed on submerged land.


Last year in The Herald ...

Another foot of ocean rise predicted before 2045. Report: Tidal flooding to be more frequent in Miami, Key West as seas rise