Deep Sea Detectives - Andrea Doria episode

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They pretty much covered what most of the diving community already knew about her. But being so "deep, dark, and dangerous" though, I'm sure it held the general publics interest for awhile. I also liked the new drawing showing her degeneration. Looks like it could open up more access areas.
 
MikeFerrara once bubbled...


What makes you say that this isn't typical?

I thought I was gonna puke if they said "deep dark and dangerous" one more time.

They don't make diving shows for divers.

I agree. On some of the boats I go out on everyone is solo diving. I think it is pretty typical, at least in my neck of the woods. I'm not saying that makes it right though...just saying it happens all the time.
 
ScubaK-Dawg once bubbled...


I agree. On some of the boats I go out on everyone is solo diving. I think it is pretty typical, at least in my neck of the woods. I'm not saying that makes it right though...just saying it happens all the time.

Let me clarify my last post by saying that it's typical among technical divers who are properly trained in my area, not recreational diver.
 
Ya see, now you guys are all heart. Thanks a lot. Saying it was poorly done just so I wouldn't feel bad, being the only guy that couldn't watch it.
 
O-ring once bubbled...

Doing exploration level dives with someone who has never been on the doria and then splitting into two teams (one solo on a CCR) for dive 1. The plan for dive 2 was one person stay outside the wreck solo on a breather and the other person to penetrate to the point of impact (a SERIOUS penetration) solo on OC. IMHO, this glorifies the type of diving that gets people killed and should not be considered typical of "technical" diving in any way shape or form.

as some else stated.. the "solo" dives really weren't solo.. there were more than 2 divers in the water at a time..

Did you see how many divers were on the line on the last aborted dive... also when the cameraman was following John who was on a rb.. in a few scenes you saw bubbles entering the corner of the cameras field of view.. obviously the sameraman was on OC..

I have done the same when doing "documentary" style filming.. each diver has a cameraman. And it appears that the dives are being done solo..


This is the first time I can remember someone showing an "aborted" dive.. some people never realize how strong the currents can get up here... one day the dive can be a pice of cake other times forget about it....
 
Little touchy regarding DSD lately..
 
I also thought it was really cool that they showed them thumbing the dive. It sends the message that even these guys will abort a dive if conditions aren't right.

I understand that these guys are every DIR diver's nightmare w/ Chatterton on his Inspiration and Richie sucking away on his side-breather (not to mention what's the writing on the side of his tanks - German?), but in the NE I think most people share my perception of these guys as gods.


Chatterton is a commericial diver so I think that background leads to him to be comfortable diving solo (just him and the camera man).
 
there were camera guys - there were lighting guys - I know one of the lighting guys - no one was diving solo

As for Norwood - he wasn`t even on that trip - so his death is not an issue - he was also NOT solo diving when he died

the show is not a training video - it is a program aimed at the masses - they made it VERY clear the diving the Doria is not for everyone - but they also made an interesting program for non divers.

Unless you were there you do not know how the dives were carried out
 
DA Aquamaster once bubbled...
I agree the solo dives wern't solo, they just did not mention (and seldom showed) the other divers with the cameras.

I also agree most of the investigation related information is not new, particularly with regard to Carsten Johanssen possibly misreading the radar by having the wrong range scale selected - that's no where near being a "new" theory.

The artist depiction of the Doria in it's present condition was interesting though with the top couple of decks essentially collapsed and on the bottom. I thought it was particulary interesting that the section of hull with Gimbel's Hole was depicted as being folded over one of the remaining decks at about a 90 degree angle. Also interesting that they thought the beam of the ship had compressed another 5 feet in the last 10 years.

The show was truly fascinating and riviting. The camera crew obviously served as the buddies for the two divers, although you were never shown the camera crew. Unsung heroes and great shots. It was a great documentary, the best I have ever seen on the History channel !

For a 1 hour show, there was not that much scuba footage. Just clips of 3 dives, two of which turned out to be external survey dives, and the third which was only comprised of all of the divers hanging onto their down-line fighting a 2 to 4 kt current which was then aborted.

I would have to guess the divers were using IANTD protocols. One was a CCR diver and the other looked like he had twin HP 120s with tank boots, a tech B/C of some kind, his two deco bottles nicely split right and left for equal balance, and canister battery mounted between the twin tanks.

I had to laugh when they split up their entire team into two separate groups on the second dive, to go look for access to the damaged starboard bow area, which they never found.

The first dive was designated an external survey, and was to a depth of about 200 ft for 25 mins, I believe. The second dive was designated as a penetration dive, if they could find access to the damaged area, however they never found an access way, even after the CCR diver went to 250 ft for 25 mins. The third dive was aborted on the descent line.

It was a nice dive boat they were using, one that even Uncle Pug would be proud have!

The computer graphics on the re-creation of the original collision, and the historic film footage, plus the interviews with the watch officer of the Stockholm, who gave the command to turn into the Doria, and with the staff officer of the Doria, were intriguing. There were also interviews of survivors of the collision.

Blame in the show was placed upon the excessive speed of both ships in the thick fog.

My own impression is that the Doria captain was playing chicken, waiting for the Stockholm to blink. When Stockholm finally did blink, she turned to starboard (a standard maneuver) expecting the Doria to do so as well, in the opposite direction, however Doria maintained course and speed, and therefore Stockholm plowed right into Doria's starboard bow and sank her. Fair enough, for a game of chicken! History has apparently blamed the captain of the Doria, however the show tried to put more responsibility upon the Stockholm's watch officer.

The show blamed the watch officer of the Stockholm for not awakening the captain. The watch officer also apparently from his readings misread the radar scale, and therefore both ships were closer than he thought, therefore in this game of chicken it was too late to blink.

The artist's re-depiction of the wreck shows it to be badly collapsing under the pressure of the currents and other elements at 250 fsw, just like DAAquamaster said. It does not look safe to penetrate, if that is possible at all now, after almost 50 years of collapse.

historychannel.com should have the $25 video verson for sale, as usual, if you missed it, or if you live in Canada. :)
 

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