Decisions, Decisions

[gqllc]

BP/Wings are the way to go as you can tell! My requirements are slightly different and may be helpful to you.
1) I do have a complete OxyCheq 45#/ Kopln SS BP and Harness with LW STA. When I wear an exposure suit This is my setup HOWEVER I do a tremendous amount of 82 degree and warmer diving so I also have The Dive Rite Transplate Harness which is not DIR BUT is extremely COMFORTABLE and fully adjustable! I have 2- one with SS BP and one with Al BP that is just GREAT!! Yes it is not "DIR" but it suits my warm water diving from local(the Keys) to exotic travel with full adjustability.
I found the Straight "DIR" harness the easiest and simplistic, and minimalist BUT just a little to uncomfortable for the surface. Of course underwater it is very sweet! I also have the Dive Rite integrated weight pockets, and Halcyon's ACB 20 system as well.
Good luck! I forgot but I use the 30# Oxychecq on the travel Transplate and I use the Oxycheq 45# wing on the local areas

 

[blacknet]

gqllc once bubbled...
This is my setup HOWEVER I do a tremendous amount of 82 degree and warmer diving so I also have The Dive Rite Transplate Harness which is not DIR BUT is extremely COMFORTABLE and fully adjustable!

What really amazes the hell out of me is the vast number of people who give up 'comfort' for group think and fails to use their brain. This thread has nothing to do with DIR or anything remotely related to that section so please don't degrade a somewhat useful and helpful topic. Besides, my IQ is to high to use any 'DIR' techniques.

Ed

 

[Arnaud]

The TPII has a lot more failure points than a regular B/P. It's not as adjustable as a B/P since it comes in different sizes. The TPII has a lot of useless stuff (including the padding) and is a lot less streamlined.

But don't take my word for it. Do a side by side comparison and dive both.

BTW, a B/P doesn't have to be Halcyon... There are a number of other options, but they all pretty much follow the same design.

 

[blacknet]

Arnaud once bubbled...
The TPII has a lot more failure points than a regular B/P.

Hello,

Can you cite references to these failure points? Not potential failure points which can be academically argued till we're blue in the face but honest to god failures due to whatever.

Ed

 

[Arnaud]

blacknet once bubbled...


Hello,

Can you cite references to these failure points? Not potential failure points which can be academically argued till we're blue in the face but honest to god failures due to whatever.

Ed

This has been discussed a great deal in the past. But the quick releases and the lack of one continuous piece of webbing come to mind.

By definition, any failure point is academic. So, I'm not completely sure what you mean.

 

[blacknet]

Hello,

OK i'll rephrase. 'Failure points' show some real world examples of equipment failures because of the current design.

As for the lack of a continuous piece of webbing, and the quick release, how and where has this caused failures.

Ed

 

[Arnaud]

Putting aside the wing (since both the TP and a b/p have one):

A b/p is just a plate, one piece of webbing and some D rings.

Unless the b/p is in plastic (and those are not really common anymore), the only failure point on the B/P is the webbing.

Now, looking at the TP, there are a lot of non metal stuff that can break.

As to whether a failure point is academic or not, I'll offer one terrible but obvious example. For 30 years, the Concorde flew with the most perfect record a jetliner has ever had. Then the crash happened and the engineers found a flaw. For 30 years, that flaw had just been academic...

 

[blacknet]

Hello,

Putting aside the wings and strictly harness here when you compare the bp with the tp are we talking a difference in material? As for failure point goes if it doesn’t' fail then it's not an issue, if it does fail then something needs to be done about it. Look at the o2 cleaning standards USN/NOAA/NASA/CGA/USCG all state 26.5% and above you have failure points, yet the scuba industry endorses 40% citing old dated literature. As for the plane issue this failure point was probably known long long time ago but the risk management issue kicked in. Now if there is a failure on the transpac system then something needs to be done about it, anything else is academic, fluff and marketing.

Ed

 

[Arnaud]

Blacknet, a quick release is a failure point. A b/p doesn't have any. Same for the non continuous piece of webbing and all that padding.

 

[blacknet]

Hello,

How is a quick release a failure point? Rock climbers have been quick releases back before scuba was just sci-fi, they are still using them today. Also every military in the world uses quick releases.

Ed