Dear Instructors and Dive Professionals:

[DivingGal]

Walter once bubbled...
Not only are the instructors not leaving, but some of the most experienced and best divers are not instructors.

Was diving with one on the weekend. WOW!!!! They don't have any interest at becoming a pro.


scubasean - MikeFerrara's comment of

I don't think it's so much a matter of hiding anything as it is preventing something from being misunderstood.

sums it up accurately.

 

[Lead_carrier]

scubasean once bubbled...
Not being an instructor, and now having it made evident that there are things instructors hide from potential students, I'll be more wary.

Its a shame that a frank discussion about techniques, etc., can't happen in the open. Just give read-only privs to anyone who isn't an instructor.

Well darn,we've been found out. I guess next thing is everyone will want to know the secret handshakes.:wacko:

We not trying to hide anything, like Mike said, it's to prevent misunderstandings. Not many instructors agree on a lot of things that are taught and the ways they are taught. Hopefully it will help a lot of us learn a new trick or too that we can pass on to our students without getting them too confused.

 

[Walter]

"We not trying to hide anything"

I disagree. We are hiding some things and I believe it is correct to do so. There are times when a student has problems and I trick them in order to have them solve the problem. I certainly wouldn't want a student to know my trick or it wouldn't work. OTOH, I would share it with an instructor in that situation.

 

[HammerNoMore]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
I don't think it's so much a matter of hiding anything as it is preventing something from being misunderstood. There certainly are things that instructors discuss that they would never discuss in front of a potential student. I don't think that's any different than any other profession.

I've seen several cases on SB where posts were censored (for lack of a better word) because some of the things mentioned might not be safe for a newbie diver to try. In that respect, I think such a forum is a good idea. I wonder though, why such a forum should be limited to the people who decided to "Go Pro".

James

 

[DeepScuba]

Well James, I guess if that's the case, they should censor a lot more!!!!

So is one of the tricks shutting the air completely off while you're helping them put on the BC???

Then shoving them in

 

[Ron Brandt]

I inquired about having something like this set up about 2 years ago. Was told there was too many forums .

However, it's finally here in a fashion that's appropriate.

Yes,as instructors , we are privy to information from our agencies
that regular divers do not receive.

This is one more reasion to continue your dive education

Ron

 

[DeepTechScuba]

First, I dont like the idea of having my instructor information in your data base. What if someone decides they want to sue? Ghostwriting is still the best preventive medicine to our overly litigious American society.

Second, what about all the new divers who are not given access? Its not fair to them to be excluded.

Thats my twenty-five cents worth, on this issue.

 

[diverbrian]

I will be a DiveCon at the end the month (I will be doing my last assist of an Open Water SCUBA II course on Sept. 27 and 28 and then I will be done ). I agree that many of the best divers don't go through the politics to get professional certs.

I think that this will prevent some of the flame wars that I have seen as well. The instructors and other d.p.'s discuss different training ideas and there appears to be misunderstandings. Then the people that work in the industry look like disorganized idiots to the new diver on this board when we are debating some on the equivalent of "What is better: A Ford, A Chevy, or other?"

So, I definitely believe that this is a great idea, even if I can't play for a month or so.

 

[MikeFerrara]

DeepTechScuba once bubbled...
First, I dont like the idea of having my instructor information in your data base. What if someone decides they want to sue? Ghostwriting is still the best preventive medicine to our overly litigious American society.

Second, what about all the new divers who are not given access? Its not fair to them to be excluded.

Thats my twenty-five cents worth, on this issue.

You don't have to give your info. If your students aren't sueing you I wouldn't worry about the people here. Besides, IANTD posts my instructor info on their web site anyway.

I use my real name because I want people to know who's talking. It doesn't mean much otherwise, IMO.

Is it fair to the new diver that they don't riceive the same mailings from the agencies that I teach for that I do? They don't have a direct line to the agency training consultants that we do either. The really unfair part is that they aren't allowed on the IANTD discussion group, the PADI pro section of their web site and their not allowed to teach (agency sanctioned) classes.

How is it not fair?

 

[HammerNoMore]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
I use my real name because I want people to know who's talking. It doesn't mean much otherwise, IMO.

There are so few of us....

How is it not fair?

There are always those that will complain whenever they are excluded from a group, no matter the reason.