Current Conditions in Monterey & Carmel?

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renpirate,

I am by no means an expert, and will defer to others that may post. But I have done 5 dives at Lobos over the past 2 months, and had a great time. I recommend you go to the Pt Lobos site Pt Lobos and read all about the dive spots in their "DIVE SPOTS" section.

I was there yesterday and there was a group of 6 divers that wasted a day diving in the wrong spot (the southeast inner cove). They complained of 1-2 foot vis and nothing to see. The problem was that they dove inside whalers cove. What was really sad is they had an inflatable boat with a 75HP Merc, so they could have gone anywhere in the park to dive. To see anything and to truly enjoy what this site has to offer you need to get out of the cove.

Here is my recommendation for a first dive -- Swim north out of the cove following the sand channel where the kelp is thin and easy to navigate on the surface.. This is about a 30 min surface swim for me and my 15 yr old son/dive buddy. The rocks to the west (your dive destination) form a protective wall, so the surface swell should be minimal. Anyway, once you get out to where the kelp starts to thin, drop down and head due west. This is a great dive, and this time of year you can expect 35-50+ ft vis. I attached an image with lines representing the surface swim (dark grey) the dive (brown lines).

I also marked in white an area to avoid. It is at the south end of the wall. This area gets shallow and the wave/surge action can pop you up to the surface and potentially into the rocks. What I recommend is to watch your depth and when the base of the wall starts rising to 20/25fsw and vis gets worse turn back north (gas permitting) or head east back out to the sand channel, then follow the sand channel south into the cove. Alternately, if you get to this point of the dive and still have sufficient air you can cross the sand channel and return along the west face of the middle reef (I never have enough air left at this point, so I have never actually done this).

You can expect it to be pretty surgey as there is still a big swing on the tide this week (almost 8' on the 25th and 6+' on the 26th)Pt Lobos Tides This is relevant because big swings can mean heavier surge. For example yesterday it was surgey down to 65+ fsw partially because we had a 8.5' swing (from +6.89 at 8:44 to -1.65 at 4pm)

You can also check the expected wave patterns prior to your dive to get an idea what kind of swell you will be dealing with. Here is a great site for checking wave patterns pre-dive Wave Forecasts

Lastly take a light with you. There are lots of nooks and ledges with large fish hiding out during the day (especially along the wall by the parking lot) so be sure to go slow and look in holes.

Hope this helps.

RJ
 
Those guys with the inflatable could NOT have gone
anywhere in the park to dive. Most of the park is
closed to diving. Only Whaler's Cove and Bluefish
Cove are open to diving (not quite all of Bluefish
in fact). This isn't a problem for those without a
boat or scooter -- there's no way you are going to
swim out of the dive area.

You can launch a boat at Pt. Lobos and go outside
the park to dive (you still need dive reservations).
And the best kept secret about Pt. Lobos is that
there are four boating-only reservations each day.
Divers can bring a boat on their dive reservations,
but non-diving kayakers can use those four
reservations.

The sand channel is hard to find right now because
most of the kelp has been ripped out by storms.

Surge is caused by big swells, and has nothing to
do with the tides.

There's no place at Pt. Lobos to get fills. You have
to drive into Monterey. The easiest thing to do
would be to rent a couple more tanks. Note also
that all of the Monterey dive shops are closed
Christmas Day.

Dunno what will happen. More often than not, the
forecasts get better as dive day approaches --
NOAA tends to be conservative, and the farther
away dive day is, the less reliable the models.
 
Sounds like a great dive rjens, bit of a swim though. Thanks for the picture and the report.

Good to know about the refills. We'll pick up an extra set of tanks on the 24th. See you on the 26th!

Andy
 
Andy,
The surface swim sounds long, but it is worth it. To really get what this dive site is about, you need to get north of Cannery Point (Cannery Point, Middle Reef or Granite Point -- take your pick -- but get out of the cove).

Chuck,
You missed my point. What I meant was that they could have used the boat to get to some of the more interesting dives that are legal in the park. As someone that has to swim to my dive sites, getting over to Bluefin or out to the granite point pinnacles are beyond my reach. However with a boat they are very doable. In fact I spoke with a diver with an outboard powered inflatable on Saturday who told me that he had finally found and dived the bluefin outer pinnacles. His report of the dive was very cool. Then just two days later I watched with a touch of envy as yet another group of divers set up their boat and was surprised to see them idle straight across the cove and anchor in the kelp in the southeast corner of whalers cove. I remember wondering why they had gone there. Then a couple hours later they came back in complaining about the horrible dive. One guy comparing it to diving in a septic tank. Turns out none of them (total 6 divers with 2 boats, a diveyak and the inflatable with a 75hp Merc) had done any research on where to dive. I just felt really sorry for them. So I guess my point is regardless of how great a dive site is supposed to be, it is still important to do some research and plan out your dive.

And here is where the comment on the tide came from. I agree that the swell causes surge, however yesterday the swell was under 8' yet the surge was really bad down to at least 65'. While I was rinsing my gear the ranger came by and asked me how my dive was and I mentioned the surge. He expained that it was due to the large tidal swing, over 8 1/2 feet in a little more than 4 hours. This was news to me, but it sounded plausible and made more sense then blaming it on the earthquake, but I probably should have checked it out a bit more before I passed it on as fact, my bad.

I should have stuck to warning the new diver to be carefull on the boat ramp, that algae covered cement can be downright dangerous at low tide.

Lastly your warning about lack of fills on site, or anywhere on christmas day was right on.

Have a great holiday weekend everyone,
RJ
 
I was responding to what you SAID, not what you
MEANT. If these guys didn't do their
homework on where to dive, it was highly unlikely
they had done their homework on where NOT to
dive. Lots of folks don't know that most of the
park is closed to diving. Even the rangers need
permission from Sacramento to dive there.

There are three major variables to swells: height, interval,
and direction. Interval has a huge effect on how
deep they reach. Eight feet at eight seconds is
almost negligable UW (though it rocks the boat a
lot and many will be screaming at the submarines).
Eight feet at 18 seconds will be rock and roll down
to 100 feet. You were there on Monday. The
3:00 a.m. C&M forecast for Monday was:
SE WINDS 10 TO 20 KT... WIND WAVES 2 TO 4 FT
NW SWELL 8 TO 10 FT AT 18 SECONDS. AREAS OF MORNING FOG.
And the real-time data from the buoy is consistent
with that. The long interval swells don't look as
big is they are because they aren't very steep.
Direction becomes a factor with a West swell
because Pt. Lobos then gets some protection, but
it has little or no protection from NW swells.

That cement can be really slippery, even when the
tide is in a bit.
 
Well gang I hope your holidays went well. We showed up to dive Lobos on the 25th and the Rangers cancelled all diving due to the conditions. We tried the next day, but we felt pretty uncomfortable with the conditions around 11AM and reluctantly called it a day. Did anybody dive Lobos on the 26th, if so how was it?
 
Thanks for the link Chuck, based upon their report I'm glad we did call it. After it started to hail and all the dirt started flowing down the ramp and muddying the water, I knew it would be a bad dive. Kinda of a bummer though, we came quite a ways to dive, but it's better to be safe than sorry. We are booked there again for the 2nd and 3rd, perhaps the second time around will be better.

Anybody else booked for next weekend?
 

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