Creation vs. Evolution

[Midnight Star]

Nor does it talk about other civilizations on the other side of the world

In a way, I think it does. In Genesis, there was Adam, Eve and two sons, Cain and Abel. After Cain slew Abel (which to me shows that man has the inherent nature to slay anything that has the "light" of faith in it - it's threatening somehow and must be reproved or subdued, instead of knowledge - Cain offered what he knew, from his dad, tilling and growing from the ground, but Abel offered his sacrifice from faith, which couldv'e only come from God), God marked him (cain), so that if anyone else came across him, he'd be slain. If there were only 4 people on the entire planet, he'd have nothing to fear. I don't think that the beginnings of Adam and Eve represent only two individuals ... for example, speaking of animals, whatever Adam called them, that's what they were ... Adam meaning man (as a whole), or earthly man if you will; the fleshly man that was formed from the dust of the earth - we're still giving animals names to this day.

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Mike.

 

[AXL72]

I do not follow your logic that you tried to use to try to answer my question.

 

[Snowbear]

and, for completeness, I can stretch out a flat table cloth, too.

Can you hang it on nothing as well?

 

[H2Andy]

Can you hang it on nothing as well?

of course! he just has to call the nothing "God" and you got it!

 

[H2Andy]

Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the empty place, and He hung the earth on nothing.

how on earth does that translate to "the Earth is round?"

inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Midnight Star]

Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the empty place, and He hung the earth on nothing.

That's an interesting passage in that it states the earth is hanging somewhere (floating in space, and bound by gravitational forces); almost denotes it as being viewed from a distance ... well beyond the ability of the writers back then to actually see the earth from space, or understand it's relationship in the galaxy.

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Mike.

 

[H2Andy]

to me it says:

the earth is long and stretchy and it hangs in the middle of nowhere

i don't see where "the Earth is round" can be based on that verse. i don't see the concept of gravity being expressed by that verse. i don't see where he even knows what a galaxy is in that verse. i don't see anything scientific in that verse.

again, another example of much wishful thinking being placed on an otherwise obscure verse

and if Job knew about gravity, why didn't he publish his Theory of Gravity? dang, that boy could have made a buck

 

[Midnight Star]

and He hung the earth on nothing

I gather the "earth" is referring to the whole, the body upon which we live. and "hung" meaning to suspend that body (or to hang up), and nothing would refer to how it would look from space - it appears to be hanging from nothing. It seems to also represent, that someone has seen it from a distance, whereas we, being terrestrial, couldnt fathom how we are in space, and suspened by nothing ... since all things on the earth would be bound by gravitational forces.

I think it's a rather prophetic glimpse of the wonderous majesty of creation; and that the more complex things, can be best understood by the simplest of all terms; faith is really a simple thing.

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Mike.

 

[H2Andy]

i'm not talking about faith

i am talking about a critical reading of that verse

you are using it to support your theory that the Bible knew the Earth was round.

i am saying, that's a looooooong stretch for that verse (btw, do you know what the original Hebrew version says? might be useful)

also, do you have another, clearer verse or verses?

i mean, if the Bible says the Earth is round, shouldn't it say it in a clear, non-ambigous manner?

what else you got?

 

[Midnight Star]

i'm not talking about faith

i am talking about a critical reading of that verse

I'm talking about the literal reading of that verse. Some versus are taken literally, some aren't - thus a complete division. In the end, only God can say who was right, and who was wrong.

you are using it to support your theory that the Bible knew the Earth was round.

No, i'm saying that God knew, since He made all things, including the nature and forms of matter; the definitions of life. Job (or the writer), being inspired of God, just said it. That's all.

i am saying, that's a looooooong stretch for that verse (btw, do you know what the original Hebrew version says? might be useful)

Now we're coming down to it ... this is the difference between the two camps - the driving force behind opposition (not that it really effects the relationship either of us has as friends). And the very base of the debate ... it's been unspoken until now. This is the steadfastness, almost arrogance in some groups against those that only know the bible; debated by Isralic scholars, the differences.

also, do you have another, clearer verse or verses?

There are all kinds of verses that describe alot of different things ... but since, as you've said, anyone can interpret it anyway they choose (that's our choice - free will), it would be futile for me to even try. Not that the bible itself is futile, but that we find what we seek in life. If for example, i'm not really in the market for a car, and think that all automobile makers are "conspirical" in nature ... then even the mentioning of a new car to me, might cause me to believe your trying to sell me something I don't really (or ever) want. Even if your really not - even if your just sharing something you've learned about cars. It would all be offensive to me, without question ... and that's ok. Whether I choose to own a car, or not, isnt for anyone other than me to say.

i mean, if the Bible says the Earth is round, shouldn't it say it in a clear, non-ambigous manner?

I don't think it's meant (the bible) to personally persuade (forgive for for saying this, it's not meant in a wrong way), Andy (or anyone else); it's really upto them to make that leap. If for some reason, they're against the idea of God, because of someone (misrepresented God) or something (God didn't cure an illness) ... there's not much anyone, even God could do to convince them otherwise; free will reigns.

what else you got?

I have lots of things actually, when your ready.

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Mike.