Creation vs. Evolution

[H2Andy]

we need to change strategy here and proceed to....

single combat!

Thas and Mike Ferrara, armed only with bananas (pointy sticks is cheating), shall duel until one of them is no longer willing to duel

at which point, this debate will be OVER!

 

[Thalassamania]

I am not entering into a physical contest with a blacksmith - you think I'm nuts?

 

[aquanuts...]

There is not definitive proof either way, so this argument is all gray area. Either is possible and no one can refute this. Creation is correct in my opinion because of personal experience. The flood could have happened. I see no reason the earth could not be covered by water. It is close to being covered now. It would be a long shot... but they don't call it an act of God for nothing.

Now, can God exist? Can the earth be flooded by water? Can fire rain from the sky? Do aliens exist?

These are all possible because science or anything else for that matter can't disprove them. If you can't disprove them, then you can't count them out. Evolutionist are using inductive reasoning to support their claim and this is not really good skeptical practice. Deductive reasoning better fits a true skeptic.

Creation is possible because science can't disprove it. Evolution is possible because creation can't disprove it. In the case of creation it is clear why God didn't make it provable. God wants his children to have faith in him and if it was provable, then it would not require faith.

 

[BIGSAGE136]

Actually I cant see how you cant get pass creation. No matter how you cut it there is an independent variable that manipulated our being.

 

[agilis]

Aquanuts, how do you know what God wants his children to do?
Maybe he wants them to go to medical school and make him proud. Maybe he wants them to wear plaid.
Science can't disprove the supremacy of the Flying Spaghetti Monster deity either.
Everybody knows that aliens exist, and that they secretly run all the world's governments.

 

[Thalassamania]

Actually I cant see how you cant get pass creation. No matter how you cut it there is an independent variable that manipulated our being.

I think that's your ego talking. It's hard to accept the fact that you're the product of random events.

 

[Zingtea]

Actually I cant see how you cant get pass creation. No matter how you cut it there is an independent variable that manipulated our being.

I think that's your ego talking. It's hard to accept the fact that you're the product of random events.

Maybe BIGSAGE136 means that necessity manipulated our being? E.g., marine mammals spend a lot of time in the water; water conducts heat faster than air, so they adapted by developing blubber insulation. In this case, that manipulative variable was the heat-sapping feature of water. I didn't get the "independent" part though...

 

[H2Andy]

There is not definitive proof either way, so this argument is all gray area.

rather, they are two answers to the same question

one is the product of a rational system that seeks to gather data and evaluate that data, and then test its theories so that new data will either confirm or debunk those theories. this is a proven system, and it has given us everything from heart transplant surgery to nuclear energy. this system works.

the other is the product of a faith-based system, which seeks to validate a beilef in the Supernatural despite the data available. we got to wait until we die to see if this system works, because nobody will know the truth while alive.

no offense, but they are worlds apart

 

[Green_Manelishi]

rather, they are two answers to the same question

one is the product of a rational system that seeks to gather data and evaluate that data, and then test its theories so that new data will either confirm or debunk those theories. this is a proven system, and it has given us everything from heart transplant surgery to nuclear energy. this system works.

the other is the product of a faith-based system, which seeks to validate a beilef in the Supernatural despite the data available. we got to wait until we die to see if this system works, because nobody will know the truth while alive.

no offense, but they are worlds apart

Please share with us the tests that show life arising from lifelessness and dinosaurs evolving into birds. "Look around you", "it must have" or "We know it did" are not scientific; they are statements of faith.

 

[Fuzzmutton]

Last eve I paused beside the blacksmith's door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
Then looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers worn with beating years of time.

"How many anvils have you had," said I,
"To wear and batter all these hammers so?"
"Just one," said he, and then with twinkling eye,
"The anvil wears the hammers out, you know."

"And so," I thought, "The Anvil of God's Word
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon,
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The Anvil is unharmed, the hammers gone."