Creation vs. Evolution

[MikeFerrara]

Exactly the argument I had anticipated in my post. Pretty much to the letter. I see you really like that argument, so I'll let you have at it and get back to my spurious heathening.

It's not an argument. It's statement of fact. We've been to the moon, we transplant hearts, we build machines that do our work for us while we sit around and debate the equality of man and apes over the internet on our computers.

It's the arguement you should expect. I don't care how cute and cuddly you think they are, we aren't the same.

 

[H2Andy]

It's the arguement you should expect. I don't care how cute and cuddly you think they are, we aren't the same.

no, we're genetically 98% similar because they are our closet living relatives.

we both come from a common stock that split 5 million years ago

thus, we're 5 million years of evolution distant from the chimps, give or take

(or ten million years, if you count our path as 5 million years and their path as 5 million years in terms of small changes drawing the two species apart)

five million years of evolution (or 10, depending on how you see it) can create quite a large difference, specially since our primary evolution has been a large frontal lobe with which to perform abstract-though-related functions.

we are very similar, and yet we are worlds apart

 

[MikeFerrara]

no, we're genetically 98% similar because they are our closet living relatives.

we both come from a common stock that split 5 million years ago

thus, we're 5 million years of evolution distant from the chimps, give or take

(or ten million years, if you count our path as 5 million years and their path as 5 million years in terms of small changes drawing the two species apart)

five million years of evolution (or 10, depending on how you see it) can create quite a large difference, specially since our primary evolution has been a large frontal lobe with which to perform abstract-though-related functions.

we are very similar, and yet we are worlds apart

Well ok. 10 million years distant? Abstract thought related functions? I feel like I found a long lost brother.

I'll organize a march on the zoo to free them and you head to Washington and start gathering support to get them the vote.

Sorry, It's late and I'm getting punchy.

 

[Bryan]

Well ok. 10 million years distant? Abstract thought related functions? I feel like I found a long lost brother.

I'll organize a march on the zoo to free them and you head to Washington and start gathering support to get them the vote.

Sorry, It's late and I'm getting punchy.

Forget hanging chads... how about hanging chimps?

 

[aquanuts...]

"I am too much of a skeptic to deny the possibility of anything." T.H.Huxley

 

[H2Andy]

Forget hanging chads... how about hanging chimps?

that chimp gonna kick your butt...

those things are like 10 times as strong as we are

(nice chimp!)

(most chimps you see in movies are "children" chimps, at most early adolescents -- in chimp years -- once they come of age, say about 10 years old in chimp years, they get too strong and temperamental to be easily handled)

(trivia: the chimp that played Cheetah in the original Tarzan movies is still alive, at the age of 74 -- he is a particularly gentle chimp, and acted into his 30's)


(here he is celebrating his 74th birthday this year:

http://www.gamma.fnphoto.com/stories/2330/)

 

[JeffG]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/11/15/neanderthal.ap/index.html

To bad its fantasy.

 

[Bryan]

that chimp gonna kick your butt...

those things are like 10 times as strong as we are

(nice chimp!)

(most chimps you see in movies are "children" chimps, at most early adolescents -- in chimp years -- once they come of age, say about 10 years old in chimp years, they get too strong and temperamental to be easily handled)

(trivia: the chimp that played Cheetah in the original Tarzan movies is still alive, at the age of 74 -- he is a particularly gentle chimp, and acted into his 30's)


(here he is celebrating his 74th birthday this year:

http://www.gamma.fnphoto.com/stories/2330/)

Well, ok, so it is an orangutan, but its DNA is sooo close to that of the chimp, does it really matter, LOL!

 

[Thalassamania]

My world view is plodding along? Guess again...but really, I hope your actual world view doesn't change too much based on a little chimp DNA.

Nah, I just makes me question my craving for bananas<G>.

 

[Thalassamania]

Well I guess I am afraid of being wrong (I try to minimize it) but that doesn't stop it from happening. I just don't see what chimp DNA would have to do with a persons world view.

But really Andy, here I offer some scientific articles for discussion for my own education and in the spirit of the thread and we get a dig from Thal about a bronze age world view.

Besides, I'm a blacksmith and even something of a blade smith (means I use alloyed steels) which puts me solidly into and beyond the iron age!

Mike, I just making light. I know that, alloys aside, you're an Iron Age Man, and that's one of the things that I respect most about you.