Creation vs. Evolution

[Warthaug]

I don't think that and it wasn't what I was implying when I said that it would be interesting to follow the money.

Following the money is easy - most scientific research is publically funded, so FOA requests (or whatever those are called in your country) can usually furnish all the info you need. And for that matter, nearly every scientific journal in the world requires that your acknowledge the agency(s) and companie(s) which provided the funding for your study. So, as a reader, you know who paid for it, if not the exact amount.

And depending on the agency, you may even be able to get more information - many agencies list grantholders and the amounts of funds they recieve.

Bryan

 

[Thalassamania]

Fine tuning...

That's the type of fine tuning of the universe we're talking about.

An Estimate of the Probability for Attaining the Necessary Parameters for Life Support
Parameter Probability that feature will fall in the required range

galaxy size .1

Horse pucky from a website entited "The Heavens Declare the Glory of God."

Taken from a book, Big Bang Refined by Fire by Dr. Hugh Ross, 1998. Reasons To Believe, Pasadena, CA. Note: He couldn't find a publisher, Hugh Ross is the President and Director of Research of "Reasons To Believe"

He was trained in Astronomy, but only worked in the field for 5 years before becoming a preacher. His primary distinction in science was wining a "Grand Award" at the British Columbia Science Fair, 1963.

Give us a break, this guy had no idea of what he is talking about.

 

[Thalassamania]

Who cares if a few scientists are corrupt? Their findings will be corrected and will not stand the test of time if the original ones were not honest. Fortunately for evolution, that is not the case and scientists all over the world have found the theory to stand true.

Do we need a study to determine, over the last two millennia, if there were more corrupt thieving *****mongering pederasts in science or in the clergy?

 

[MikeFerrara]

My knowledge of electronics is basically, "don't stick your finger in a light socket because it will hurt real bad" and, "don't stick a magnet on your hard drive."

That's a good start.

 

[Uncle Pug]

Let's ask Chuck Norris to settle it once and for all.

 

[Soggy]

Let's ask Chuck Norris to settle it once and for all.

When God said, "Let there be light" Chuck Norris said, "Say Please."

 

[bwerb]

I am incredibly confused. Why are there only 1023 planets in the universe? Where did these estimated probabilities come from?

Sorry it comes out screwy on the cut/paste...it's 10 to the 23rd POWER...all the powers came out as four digit numbers instead of 10 followed by the "power"...dang I'll get this internet thing down someday...

 

[MikeFerrara]

Do we need a study to determine, over the last two millennia, if there were more corrupt thieving *****mongering pederasts in science or in the clergy?

I wonder. People tend to abuse any position they have. Priests, teachers, ministers, physicians and psychiatrists tend to get the kind of oportunities where they can take advantage of peoples trust in a physical way...sometimes when those people aren't even conscious. People in other professions get other types of oportunities.

Speaking of pederasts and the like, the other night I went to sleep on the couch while watching a DVD (I rarely watch TV) but my wife swiched on some goofy station before going to sleep herself. I woke up to some show where these people posed as children on the internet to catch adults trying to solicit them. They then had them come over to the house where they had cameras and police waiting. I only saw a few minutes of it but they nabed people from pretty much all walks of life. That I remember, there was at least one physician, at least one minister and I want to say that there was at least one teacher.

At the risk of coming off as a real pessimist, there is an awful lot of garbage out there.

 

[TCDiver1]

Chuck Norris is too busy hawking his Bowflex or Christie gym or whatever that thing is called to answer such trivial questions.

 

[Thalassamania]

Ipeople posed as children on the internet to catch adults trying to solicit them. They then had them come over to the house where they had cameras and police waiting. I only saw a few minutes of it but they nabed people from pretty much all walks of life. That I remember, there was at least one physician, at least one minister and I want to say that there was at least one teacher.

But no evolutionary biologists.<G>

The thing about science that the lay public does not understand is that there is always a bunch of people looking over your shoulder, and they can make their reputation faster by destroying your's rather than having to do the hard work of original research. We got more points in undergrad and grad seminars for carving up the presenter than we did for our own presentations. Tends to keep you honest.