Creation vs. Evolution

[MikeFerrara]

Um, how is dropping all rational thought (i.e. having faith) and believing in something with out proof, easy? Especially as one must use a book with numerous contradictions as what to live their life by.

If you are a homosexual, it tells you you are sinful because of something that is innate and therefore you must have a life of abstinence.

If you are a woman it tells you, you must submit to your husband and that you are the weaker sex.

If you are anybody, it says you are sinful and must submit to a higher power in order to go to heaven, even if you have spent your life doing nothing but good deeds.

Hmm, not so easy for me personally to stomach...

See my last post regarding rebirth in the Spirit.
You become a new creation. 2 Cor 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is anew creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart These- O God, You will not dispise.

 

[Sas]

See my last post regarding rebirth in the Spirit.
You become a new creation. 2 Cor 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is anew creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart These- O God, You will not dispise.

What is your point with those quotes? I know what the Bible says. I was merely pointing out that I don't find it easy to believe in, and thus follow a book that is sexist, that discriminates against homosexuals and will damn people who have spent their life doing nothing but good works, to an eternity of torture and suffering... just because they don't believe in God.

 

[MikeFerrara]

What is your point with those quotes? I know what the Bible says. I was merely pointing out that I don't find it easy to believe in, and thus follow a book that is sexist, that discriminates against homosexuals and will damn people who have spent their life doing nothing but good works, to an eternity of torture and suffering... just because they don't believe in God.

My point?
That you approach God with a broken and contrite heart rather than being prideful and haughty.

That your "good works" don't do it

That you must be reborn in the Spirit....you go from being spiritually dead in sin to spiritually alive in Christ. A new creation.

Those were my points. Since you know all of this and we've already been over it, there isn't anyplace left to go with it, is there?

 

[sheck33]

Can I do a do-over, and can we all pretend that I did not post that silly post???

I think I was refering to:

a. An unusual, significant, or unaccountable fact or occurrence; a marvel.
b. A remarkable or outstanding person; a paragon. See Synonyms at wonder.


or

a: a rare or significant fact or event / an exceptional, unusual, or abnormal person, thing, or ccurrence


or


marvel, miracle

or

That which strikes one as strange, unusual, or unaccountable

Lol, sure

 

[sheck33]

I believe the answer to your question is wrong.

No, we cannot save you. You have to repent now, say you are sorry and all will be forgiven! Jesus died for ALL of us on the cross, but He has risen from the dead. That is the good news. If you really want to repent and be saved you have to believe.

The good news is that it's easy, just pray the following prayer and believe:


"Lord Jesus, I need You. Thank You for dying on the cross for my sins. I open the door of my life and receive You as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for forgiving my sins and giving me eternal life. Take control of the throne of my life. Make me the kind of person You want me to be."

No wonder all these rapists and murderers in prison become 'born again christians'. The fear factor of going to 'hell' strikes again.

 

[sheck33]

Mike,

1. Why do we need to fear the Lord (as is stated in your signature line)?

2. Why does a convicted murderer who prays to God and Jesus everyday for 30 out of 40 years he is in prison (on a life sentence) get into heaven, but if I die tomorrow, I don't get to heaven, simply because I don't beleive? and if I were to believe, by seeing with my own eyes, I denounce the worthiness of God for my praise because of what I think of his actions....to His face!?

I don't get it?

Further information for the question: The conviction was valid. The killer murdered 3 women and one woman's 2 year old son, but he was only caught and convicted for one of the murders.

1. Because religion is about control

2. Once again control, the people that made it all up couple thousand years ago figured out a great way to make people do what they want.

 

[MikeFerrara]

1. Because religion is about control

2. Once again control, the people that made it all up couple thousand years ago figured out a great way to make people do what they want.

I don't think you could support the case that religion was invented for control but control is exactly the reason liberals are trying to do away with it.

The religious, conservatives and capitalists should spend some time brushing up on their knowledge of socialism and Marxism. It'll go a long way in letting you know who you're dealing with and why they dislike you so much.

Liberals who may not understand their own motivations should brush up on the same material.

 

[AXL72]

Well, I agree that some of my posts have been controversial.

However, I am devout in my beliefs, just as christians, jews, muslims, hindus, etc. are in theirs.

Let me point out why there may be a conflict of interest affecting what is asserted to be true (or believed to be true) and paying the "rent" or the "bank note".

Sacred Heart Co-Cathedral (New)
Construction Start: 2005
Construction Completed: 2007
Cost: $32,000,000
Maximum Height: 140 feet / 43 meters
(including spires, antennae, etc...)
Location: 1111 Saint Joseph Parkway
Area / City: Downtown Houston


$32 Million can go a long way in helping people in other ways. And that $32 Million does not even include overhead, such as water, electric (and Houston stays hot for months on end), property taxes, insurance, etc.


On the assertion by sheck about "control", well, he may be right, based on historical events.

When the spaniards made it to the mainland of the Yucatan Peninsula from their carribean islands, including Cuba, they smashed the Mayan idols for their Gods. They errected crosses, likenesses of the virgin Mary (which I call an idol for worshipping), and Jesus on the crucifix. One of the things the spaniards read out loud was the spiel about there is only one God and that the Mayan Gods were false Gods, not to be worshiped anymore.

This was a bit of control. Over what? Gold!

 

[gary-ramey]

Originally Posted by Saspotato
Um, how is dropping all rational thought (i.e. having faith) and believing in something with out proof, easy? Especially as one must use a book with numerous contradictions as what to live their life by.

Can you site an obvious contradiction?

If you are a homosexual, it tells you you are sinful because of something that is innate and therefore you must have a life of abstinence.

Every man, woman and child that walks this Earth is sinful. Sometimes that sin is what we do, other times in what we fail to do.

If you are a woman it tells you, you must submit to your husband and that you are the weaker sex.

In the same paragraph it tells the Husbands to serve your wives as Christ served the church. I would think if Husbands even came close to this kind of leadership, a woman would have no trouble submitting herself to him.

If you are anybody, it says you are sinful and must submit to a higher power in order to go to heaven, even if you have spent your life doing nothing but good deeds.

There are physical laws, higher laws if you will, that govern our lives. The law of gravity for instance. You jump off a building you're subject to the law of gravity whether you believe in it or not. There are also spiritual laws which govern us as well, whether we agree with them or not.

Hmm, not so easy for me personally to stomach...

Fair enough. But just so you know, God meets each person where they're at now. "Just as I am" is not just a song. God loves everyone and wants a personal relationship with anyone who wants a relationship with him. His unconditional love and forgiveness is larger than any addiction or behavior.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Well, I agree that some of my posts have been controversial.

However, I am devout in my beliefs, just as christians, jews, muslims, hindus, etc. are in theirs.

Let me point out why there may be a conflict of interest affecting what is asserted to be true (or believed to be true) and paying the "rent" or the "bank note".

Sacred Heart Co-Cathedral (New)
Construction Start: 2005
Construction Completed: 2007
Cost: $32,000,000
Maximum Height: 140 feet / 43 meters
(including spires, antennae, etc...)
Location: 1111 Saint Joseph Parkway
Area / City: Downtown Houston


$32 Million can go a long way in helping people in other ways. And that $32 Million does not even include overhead, such as water, electric (and Houston stays hot for months on end), property taxes, insurance, etc.

I don't know anything about the church but there are certainly business oportunities in religion as there is in most things.

On the assertion by sheck about "control", well, he may be right, based on historical events.

When the spaniards made it to the mainland of the Yucatan Peninsula from their carribean islands, including Cuba, they smashed the Mayan idols for their Gods. They errected crosses, likenesses of the virgin Mary (which I call an idol for worshipping), and Jesus on the crucifix. One of the things the spaniards read out loud was the spiel about there is only one God and that the Mayan Gods were false Gods, not to be worshiped anymore.

This was a bit of control. Over what? Gold!

Yes, I'd say mostly for gold. I think the deal was that the church got their souls and the king got their gold.

In fact all the early visiters to this side of the pond committed some pretty nasty acts, as far as I know. I think those voyages were made primarily in the interest of profit.

Do we use this as justification to distrust all churches, all governments or all people? I guess I sort of with you. I don't necessarily trust any of them.