Creation vs. Evolution

[aquanuts...]

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a stalemate.

The big bang can't prove nothing and God will only reveal his master-plan when he see's fit. Till then, both sides of this debate have to have faith in order to believe what they do.

Creation, God said it and it was so.

Evolution, something from nothing, the singularity, the bang, the universe... us. A total contradiction of the argument. This clearly defies scientific law (conservation of energy) and requires "faith" to believe.

The evolutionist are religious, they just can't come to terms with it.

 

[SeanQ]

This clearly defies scientific law (conservation of energy) and requires "faith" to believe.

Clear as mud.

 

[patymeboy]

you got saved all right, Saved from reason.
Now you havebecome invincibly ignorant
and only God Himself can save you from that. Amen

ps stay away from the big sins like cutting an inocent mans air hose when he is unarmed.

 

[H2Andy]

The evolutionist are religious, they just can't come to terms with it.

not so, we just have the guts to say "we don't know the answer to that" when we don't

we don't know what was there before the Big Bang, true. but we don't make up a God to explain it...

which doesn't really explain it, btw... where did God come from? who created him? did he come from nothing? how can you have something from nothing? has he always existed? how do you know?

the key difference which you miss is that science is a fact-based system for answering questions, and those answers can be disproven by new facts

whereas religious beliefs are faith-based and can not be disproven by new facts because it exists outside the realm of facts

God created the universe -- disprove it
The Great Spirit created the universe -- disprove it
Allah created the universe -- disprove it
Zeus created the universe -- disprove it
The Big Python created the universe -- disprove it
The Hummingbird created the universe -- disprove it

etc...

 

[Robert Phillips]

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a stalemate.

The big bang can't prove nothing and God will only reveal his master-plan when he see's fit. Till then, both sides of this debate have to have faith in order to believe what they do.

Creation, God said it and it was so.

Evolution, something from nothing, the singularity, the bang, the universe... us. A total contradiction of the argument. This clearly defies scientific law (conservation of energy) and requires "faith" to believe.

The evolutionist are religious, they just can't come to terms with it.

Show me an evolutionist with an Eschatology and I'll buy you a house...

 

[Soggy]

Evolution, something from nothing, the singularity, the bang, the universe... us. A total contradiction of the argument. This clearly defies scientific law (conservation of energy) and requires "faith" to believe.

Clearly you don't understand the 2nd law, or you would not be quoting this party line like it's fact. Evolution does NOT violate thermodynamics. If you bothered to read some of this thread, you would see it addressed over

and over

and over

and over

and over again.

So, please stop perpetuating falsehoods. It does everyone a disservice. You are wrong. It's ok, you're allowed. It just makes you look bad when, despite being corrected a dozen times, you lie in order to justify your own beliefs.

The evolutionist are religious, they just can't come to terms with it.

Not really. It might seem that way to those who don't have much of a clue about the theory, but opening your mind a little and doing some reading on the topic, you'll learn that it is entirely based on observational data.

But you're right about the stalemate. No one will change their minds.

 

[aquanuts...]

I lie, well then it should be easy to prove it me wrong. Prove me wrong and tell me how the universe was created. Show me the error of my ways, tell me what the world was like before time and space sponteniously created itself from nothing. You know, the singularity... If time had a begining, then it would have been created by something or someone, some claim 4.4 billion years. Clear to me that if it has age, then it had a birth.

Science says energy can not be created nor destroyed, it just gets transfered around, at least that is what I've spent numerous hours in the physics lab proving. Would you call me a liar if I said the universe is full of energy? Now, this leads to the singularity, how did time and space stem from a single point where niether were present? Something from nothing...

 

[Soggy]

I lie, well then it should be easy to prove it me wrong.

What your lie was about evolution violating the laws of thermodynamics (it doesn't).

I don't know what happened before the big bang. It is impossible to know that. But, I do know that the early universe (moments after the big bang) was *really* weird, and a lot of the laws that we know today were "violated"...because those laws did not yet *exist*. People have trouble with the concept of the big bang because they don't understand that *everything*, including time itself and the laws of nature, *did not yet exist*.

Your answer is, "we don't understand it, so it must have been God." That is a cop-out, in my opinion. There are lots of things in the world I don't understand, but I don't go making up omniscient beings to compensate for my lack of understanding.

If time had a begining, then it would have been created by something or someone, some claim 4.4 billion years.

I'm not sure who postulates that the universe is 4.4 billion years old. The current belief is in the 12-18 billion year range.

 

[H2Andy]

If time had a begining, then it would have been created by something or someone, some claim 4.4 billion years.

more like 14 billion years ago, or a few billion years older or younger (say 12-16 billion years old)

[edit--oh, he means the age of the Earth ... yes, the Earth is about 4-5 billion years old, but time started with the Big Bang, 14 billion years ago]

but, of that which you don't know, say nothing

(and you don't know what happened 14 billion years ago. nobody does)

i can tell you this, "God created it" is not a satisfactory scientific answer, though it is certainly a valid spiritual belief.

you just don't seem to undertsand why it is not a satisfactory scientific answer, and i suspect that is because you know very little about science

 

[aquanuts...]

What your lie was about evolution violating the laws of thermodynamics (it doesn't).

I don't know what happened before the big bang. It is impossible to know that. But, I do know that the early universe (moments after the big bang) was *really* weird, and a lot of the laws that we know today were "violated"...because those laws did not yet *exist*. People have trouble with the concept of the big bang because they don't understand that *everything*, including time itself and the laws of nature, *did not yet exist*.

Your answer is, "we don't understand it, so it must have been God." That is a cop-out, in my opinion. There are lots of things in the world I don't understand, but I don't go making up omniscient beings to compensate for my lack of understanding.

I'm not sure who postulates that the universe is 4.4 billion years old. The current belief is in the 12-18 billion year range.

I watched a two hour program yesterday on the History channel called before the dinosaurs, or something to that extent. They claimed 4.4 billion years.

Laws violated... no, say it ain't so! Laws always work remember.