Cozumel dive fatality on April 3?

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Jay, there are better things to be curious about. I've had only one discussion with a diver in-person who witnessed a horrible event as we were on a dive boat talking about "what happened" with such and such dive op in coz several years ago. After our 5-10 minutes of talking about the incident a quiet solo diver on the boat spoke up, stated that he was there and part of that group, told the story, and it pained him to tell it. Us talking about it put him in a place where he felt he needed to step in and "correct" the stories we had heard and were discussing. In short, I'm no longer curious and I don't care to discuss such things here or with divers on a boat ever again. Your're right, it doesn't matter and talking about it is not going to make a difference... It can only remind and cause pain for those who were close to it again. I learned that on that day.
 
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Does it really matter? I personally don't care to know. People die diving just as they do sleeping in their beds every night. I don't ask what brand of mattress he or she was sleeping on when they passed as it doesn't matter.

For me it matters. Main reason is because it sounds like the Dive Op handled the scenario very well. For me it's ALWAYS good to know a quality/safe OP to dive with. I've been with a couple different dive Ops during my dive career that I don't think would have handled the scenario as well (as stated). Unfortunately also, if the Op is not up to safety/performance standards I would sure like to know, wouldn't you?
 
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I didn't even hear about this incident - but I will say that it's gossip unless it comes from parties directly involved or who directly witnessed it - and gossip is rarely good or factual

Prayers for the family, friends and those who were involved.
 
I was on that dive and we were all saddened when we heard she had passed. She was quite nervous about the dive and it sounded like this was her first or near first dive since certifying.
A few minutes into the dive she told the DM that she wasn't well but they would continue. The DM sent up his SMB right then. A minute or two later her and her partner decided to surface and they followed the line up. About 10 minutes later another from our party was having equipment issues and followed the line up. When he surfaced the boat captain told him to get us all up. When we surfaced we realized this wasn't our boat. Our boat took the woman to shore and to hospital as she was in trouble. Our new boat then went and picked up his divers and we proceeded to shore. An hour or so later we had heard that she didn't make it and it was a presumed heart attack. They said there was to be an autopsy the next day but as we didn't know these folks we never heard results. It was very sad.


Does anyone find it odd that two people were having problems? Do we know if the air was tested for CO? I think it is very important who was the dive operator. It's not only important to this tragedy, but have they been involved in any past tragedies?
 
Does anyone find it odd that two people were having problems? Do we know if the air was tested for CO? I think it is very important who was the dive operator. It's not only important to this tragedy, but have they been involved in any past tragedies?
I wouldn't read too much into that. The only weird thing would be if coincidences never happened.
 
Does anyone find it odd that two people were having problems? Do we know if the air was tested for CO? I think it is very important who was the dive operator. It's not only important to this tragedy, but have they been involved in any past tragedies?

1) "equipment issues" doesn't make me think of the dive op as having a problem unless it is stated that the equipment was supplied by the op and it is reported that the equipment problem is related to unperformed service or negligence in inspection.

2) With only a few exceptions, all the dive ops on Cozumel get their tanks filled at the same place and it is a huge fill station that services the island.

3) There is an Accident and Incident forum that is more appropriate for posting questions about these unfortunate events when our goal is to gather information and knowledge that might help keep us safer in the future and indiscriminately casting blame is discouraged in that forum as well.

Those that are close to these situations quickly learn that the rumors tossed about freely on these forums is almost always in a range from a misinterpretation to a blatant falsehood. I must agree with Christi. I haven't been around here long and it has already become obvious to me that you will rarely find the truth about this stuff in this manner. Often the people that are on the boat don't have a clear picture, seriously.
 
1) "equipment issues" doesn't make me think of the dive op as having a problem unless it is stated that the equipment was supplied by the op and it is reported that the equipment problem is related to unperformed service or negligence in inspection.

2) With only a few exceptions, all the dive ops on Cozumel get their tanks filled at the same place and it is a huge fill station that services the island.

3) There is an Accident and Incident forum that is more appropriate for posting questions about these unfortunate events when our goal is to gather information and knowledge that might help keep us safer in the future and indiscriminately casting blame is discouraged in that forum as well.

Those that are close to these situations quickly learn that the rumors tossed about freely on these forums is almost always in a range from a misinterpretation to a blatant falsehood. I must agree with Christi. I haven't been around here long and it has already become obvious to me that you will rarely find the truth about this stuff in this manner. Often the people that are on the boat don't have a clear picture, seriously.


As was stated by the person claiming to be on the dive, it appeared this was a very new diver. It is not outrageous to believe she was renting equipment. I have only been on one dive where one person had to abort a dive due to equipment. Not saying it doesn't happen more often, but two on the same dive, plus the boat captain calling everyone up, is very suspicious.

You are correct. There is another place on this forum to post this incident. People that post conjecture are easy to see (like my post). I still don't see why it's out of bounds to see who the operator was.
 
People that are advancing in years and in unknown health dive on vacation hundreds of times a day in Cozumel. There is a roullette wheel of sorts that dive ops spin when taking them out for rec dives. On a normal good day all goes well for the dive op and the customers. On a bad day, they spin the wheel and get the person with a pre-existing condition that is about to ruin their day and perhaps change their life no matter what they do or how well they were prepared.

The customer's problem may be related to their heart, their diabetes, their anxiety or their suicidal depression. The Dive Master has a short bit of time to judge who is with him today and what they are capable of, what they need and what types of problems they may create while focusing on getting them geared up and ready to have fun. There are some crazy stories out there of things that happen under water. I've heard tales of DMs chasing down suicides and dragging them back up rather than watching them drift down the wall seeking a painless check out with no way to prove it was a suicide.

Now, imagine you are the the dive operator that had the unlucky spin that day and the next thing you know, people with no clue of what just happened, hell you don't even know for sure, are demanding an answer and "witnesses" with no skill in judging these events and only a limited view of what happened are starting a whirlwind of rumor that is questioning the safety of your operation. Your day just went from oh crap what can I do to assist in resolving this tragedy and informing the family and counseling my traumatized staff, to oh crap how do I defend myself from this insanity that was just unleashed by the internet monster.

Out of bounds? I don't know about that but in my opinion it is counterproductive, insensitive and potentially tragically unjust. It certainly is no way to get to the bottom of these events and if you spend a few hours or days reading the A&I threads on this board you will see what I mean. If you read those threads and then have the opportunity to speak with someone personally involved in one, it is likely to be eye opening.
 
Which dive op?
There is no evidence that there was any operator error here so regardless of what suspicions you may have, I don't see what it matters...even if it is one you think has a past history of issues.
 
DAN/Alert Diver:
Diving exposes divers' bodies to various stressors that independently affect cardiovascular function. The major stressors are immersion, exposure to cold, increased partial pressure of oxygen and increased work of breathing. The combined effect of these factors is that the volume of blood in the vessels of the chest and heart increases significantly, stretching the walls of heart and large vessels. Pressure in the right atrium and blood pressure slightly increase — -more so in cold water. The heart has to work harder to maintain circulation. These conditions contribute to various arrhythmias, from bradycardia (slow heart rate) caused by cold to tachyarrhythmia (racing heart rate) caused by cardiac and neuroendocrine responses to stress. Older people, especially those with structural cardiovascular changes and weaker function, are at greater risk of adverse reactions to these stresses.

. . ."It is also reasonable to expect diving could provoke an acute arrhythmia, which might result in sudden death. The arrhythmia is a more likely cause of death for older divers. As Carl Edmonds, M.D., describes and DAN® data confirm, "The victim often appeared calm just before his final collapse. Some were unusually tired or resting, having previously exerted themselves, or were being towed at the time — suggesting some degree of exhaustion. Some acted as if they did not feel well before their final collapse. Some complained of difficulty in breathing only a few seconds before the collapse, whereas others underwater signaled that they needed to buddy breathe, but rejected the offered regulator. Explanations for the dyspnea include psychogenic hyperventilation, autonomic-induced ventilatory stimulation and pulmonary edema — the latter being demonstrated at autopsy. In all cases there was an adequate air supply available, suggesting that their dyspnea was not related to equipment problems. Some victims lost consciousness without giving any signal to their buddy, whereas others requested help in a calm manner.". .

Alert Diver | Matters of the Heart
 
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