Contingency Deco Plan

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For light-moderate tech dives that only require a single deco gas (50%), I'll generally carry a large surplus - an AL80, rather than an AL40. For me, that has logistical benefits. The additional benefit is that there's no question that I couldn't support a buddies' deco.

Obviously, for teams of 3.... 3rds reserve from 2 divers provides enough total gas for 1 diver.

For dives with shallow stops sufficient to warrant two deco gasses (50% & 100%), there are new options. It depends which of the gasses was lost. If it's a reg failure, the first choice is feather breathing or reg swapping....self-sufficiency. "Lost" gas really only means a valve or tank o-ring failure... or you failed to recover the cylinder after staging.

If one diver failed to recover cylinders, then both divers probably would have... so the issue of sharing becomes void.

If the deep deco gas (50%) is lost the options are for the OOG diver to complete those stops entirely on backgas or to share 50% with them. That's down to the dive parameters and gas carried. Another good reason to carry more 50% than calculated.

If the shallow deco gas (100%)is lost there are more options. The OOG diver can now deco on your surplus 50% rather than backgas. Another validation for carrying larger 50% volume. Your O2 deco expires first, so they switch to your reserve of 100%.

In respect to switching algorithms; I don't see by difference between choosing to pound the m-value or just opting to skip planned deco.

The only feasible time to adjust the algorithm more aggressive is if you've opted for a very over-conservative setting in the first place. I do that sometimes because I'm considering post-dive factors...and/or I'm on dives where I'm not in any rush to exit the water. I'm a fan of surfacing as clean as I can. For instance, swapping from GF70 to GF85. Post-dive factors can be dealt with post-dive.

But as it's been said... knocking off some conservatism isnt gonna solve any problems for lost gas.... the deco time savings will generally be irrelevant to the big picture.
 
I probably caused confusion with the tittle, I'm actually thinking if in wreck diving you get into difficulties, stuck, entangled, partially lost, that you over-run your plan, you had initially calculated your deco gas with some to spare but now you stayed longer than planned and what was good isn't anymore, so you swap to the more aggressive algorithm, so that amount of gas is enough to complete the deco but with that algorithm
 
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This is what I'm thinking about


Decompression model: ZHL16-B + GF

DIVE PLAN
Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
Elevation = 0m
Conservatism = GF 35/65

Dec to 60m (3) Trimix 18/40 18m/min descent.
Level 60m 26:40 (30) Trimix 18/40 1.25 ppO2, 27m ead, 32m end
Asc to 36m (33) Trimix 18/40 -8m/min ascent.
Stop at 36m 1:00 (34) Trimix 18/40 0.82 ppO2, 14m ead, 18m end
Stop at 30m 2:00 (36) Trimix 18/40 0.72 ppO2, 11m ead, 14m end
Stop at 27m 2:00 (38) Trimix 18/40 0.66 ppO2, 10m ead, 12m end
Stop at 24m 3:00 (41) Trimix 18/40 0.61 ppO2, 8m ead, 10m end
Stop at 21m 3:00 (44) Nitrox 50 1.54 ppO2, 10m ead
Stop at 18m 2:00 (46) Nitrox 50 1.39 ppO2, 8m ead
Stop at 15m 5:00 (51) Nitrox 50 1.24 ppO2, 6m ead
Stop at 12m 6:00 (57) Nitrox 50 1.10 ppO2, 4m ead
Stop at 9m 8:00 (65) Nitrox 80 1.51 ppO2, 0m ead
Stop at 6m 40:00 (105) Nitrox 80 1.28 ppO2, 0m ead
Surface (106) Nitrox 80 -6m/min ascent.

OTU's this dive: 142
CNS Total: 54.6%

4834.6 ltr Trimix 18/40
681.9 ltr Nitrox 50
1349.5 ltr Nitrox 80
6866 ltr TOTAL

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Backup Plan.

Decompression model: VPM - B

DIVE PLAN
Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
Elevation = 0m
Conservatism = Nominal

Dec to 60m (3) Trimix 18/40 18m/min descent.
Level 60m 46:40 (50) Trimix 18/40 1.25 ppO2, 27m ead, 32m end
Asc to 42m (52) Trimix 18/40 -8m/min ascent.
Stop at 42m 0:45 (53) Trimix 18/40 0.93 ppO2, 18m ead, 21m end
Stop at 36m 4:00 (57) Trimix 18/40 0.82 ppO2, 14m ead, 18m end
Stop at 30m 3:00 (60) Trimix 18/40 0.72 ppO2, 11m ead, 14m end
Stop at 27m 3:00 (63) Trimix 18/40 0.66 ppO2, 10m ead, 12m end
Stop at 24m 6:00 (69) Trimix 18/40 0.61 ppO2, 8m ead, 10m end
Stop at 21m 3:00 (72) Nitrox 50 1.54 ppO2, 10m ead
Stop at 18m 4:00 (76) Nitrox 50 1.39 ppO2, 8m ead
Stop at 15m 6:00 (82) Nitrox 50 1.24 ppO2, 6m ead
Stop at 12m 7:00 (89) Nitrox 50 1.10 ppO2, 4m ead
Stop at 9m 10:00 (99) Nitrox 80 1.51 ppO2, 0m ead
Stop at 6m 41:00 (140) Nitrox 80 1.28 ppO2, 0m ead
Surface (141) Nitrox 80 -6m/min ascent.

Off gassing starts at 46.8m

OTU's this dive: 184
CNS Total: 71.0%

8120.7 ltr Trimix 18/40
856.2 ltr Nitrox 50
1441.0 ltr Nitrox 80
10417.9 ltr TOTAL

I find your plans a little odd. Firstly, a increase from 30min to 50min bottom time at 60m is huge, and not what I would normally expect to see as a contingency. It also appears you are planning on staying overly long and not having enough gas to complete deco with your "default" algorithm (ZHL 16-B). I think it would be more reasonable to take more gas, if there is a significant reason to expect such an increment in bottom time. Furthermore, if at all you wish to plan for a more aggressive deco, you should simply adjust the parameters of your original algorithm (ZLH 16-B, in this case), rather than choosing a completely different algorithm. I think you should plan your contingency with the initial conservatism setting and then adjust the conservatism until it reaches your limiting factor (gas available, total time in water etc), and later check how aggressive your plan is, having in mind your contingency setting.
 
you had initially calculated your deco gas with some to spare but now you stayed longer than planned and what was good isn't anymore, so you swap to the more aggressive algorithm, so that amount of gas is enough to complete the deco but with that algorithm

What changes physiologically?

The point of the exercise isn't to keep a computer 'happy' it is to release sufficient inert gas from your body to prevent injury through DCS.
 
I'm more thinking in following the Algorithm profile, if something did go wrong at that depth, then I know my initial plan has completely changed, and I want to keep follow a known profile, I know it doesn't guaranty that I will not get a hit but increasing the GF as will not.

It is not to keep the computer happy, I use a bottom timer and slate, but once changed to another algorithm now you have like more spare deco in case there you have problems as well, not likely events of course, if you plan had changed you stay as long as you have deco gas flushing your system to minimize a hit.

I see what you mean know by increasing the GF, I was in the wrong impression that it makes it more aggressive than the Normal VPM-B, it actually is not, but is this not a grey area as well ?

But now I'm out of 80%O2 with this GF setting

Decompression model: ZHL16-B + GF

DIVE PLAN
Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
Elevation = 0m
Conservatism = GF 35/95

Dec to 60m (3) Trimix 18/40 18m/min descent.
Level 60m 46:40 (50) Trimix 18/40 1.25 ppO2, 27m ead, 32m end
Asc to 36m (53) Trimix 18/40 -8m/min ascent.
Stop at 36m 2:00 (55) Trimix 18/40 0.82 ppO2, 14m ead, 18m end
Stop at 30m 3:00 (58) Trimix 18/40 0.72 ppO2, 11m ead, 14m end
Stop at 27m 4:00 (62) Trimix 18/40 0.66 ppO2, 10m ead, 12m end
Stop at 24m 5:00 (67) Trimix 18/40 0.61 ppO2, 8m ead, 10m end
Stop at 21m 4:00 (71) Nitrox 50 1.54 ppO2, 10m ead
Stop at 18m 4:00 (75) Nitrox 50 1.39 ppO2, 8m ead
Stop at 15m 6:00 (81) Nitrox 50 1.24 ppO2, 6m ead
Stop at 12m 9:00 (90) Nitrox 50 1.10 ppO2, 4m ead
Stop at 9m 11:00 (101) Nitrox 80 1.51 ppO2, 0m ead
Stop at 6m 52:00 (153) Nitrox 80 1.28 ppO2, 0m ead
Surface (154) Nitrox 80 -6m/min ascent.

OTU's this dive: 205
CNS Total: 79.0%

7986.4 ltr Trimix 18/40
983.1 ltr Nitrox 50
1771.5 ltr Nitrox 80
10741 ltr TOTAL
 
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You plan contingencies in advance. That dictates the gas you carry.

If you want to PLAN for a contingency that envisioned a 20 min overstay at depth....then do so... and carry sufficient gas to support that contingency.

There no point planning, if you don't take the resources to fulfill that plan.

Most divers would think +20 mins was an unreasonable contingency. +5 is more the norm.

That said... It's YOUR judgement call based on the specific dive and environment.

We only plan for contingencies we deem reasonable. Beyond those, where the truly unpredictable and unlikely occurs.. and our contingencies fall short... we can only do our best to survive and mitigate the severity of the consequences.

If you owe the reaper an hour of deco, but only have gas for 1/2 of that.... then no algorithm shenanigans makes a poke of difference.

Perhaps the real discussion should be whether a diver should attempt penetrations that might lead to vast delays beyond their planned bottom time... a factor more concerning appropriate overhead environment training and risk management.
 
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Where did tbone and AJ go? I finally got my popcorn and they stopped arguing.

I don't think it was about adjusting GF as a solution to not taking enough gas, I think t bone was arguing if in the most extreme situation possible where everything imaginable went wrong and you had no other options, or there is a medical emergency and you need to get out of the water RIGHT NOW, pushing it up to 95 and completing that time at least gives you some info that you finished a less conservative profile. If you have the gas to stay under longer once you finish that, stay down as long as you can after for more deco (assuming non medical emergency and gas loss).

But otherwise i agree. Plan your dives in a way to have enough gas to finish your deco in the event of a complete bottle loss no matter which bottle is lost
 
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I'm actually planning to keep 30min max @60m, and those extra 20min is the contingency with the max equipment I will ever carry on.

But the amount of gas needed to complete a known Deco profile in case of a contingency makes me swap to VPM-B normal setting and still have gas to stay a little longer and not run into the max CNS.
 
in the most extreme situation possible where everything imaginable went wrong and you had no other options, or there is a medical emergency and you need to get out of the water RIGHT NOW, pushing it up to 95 and completing that time at least gives you some info that you finished a less conservative profile.

That'd be a bailout contingency. A plan you jot down (or set the computer) for instances like an incapacitated buddy. Scenarios where you'd be willing to expose yourself to higher risks in order to save a life.

Bailout is ENTIRELY different to an overstay or lost gas contingency.

The concept of bailing out as a response to overstay at depth is illogical to the point of absurdity.

Basically..... "I'm very overloaded with inert gas and need longer decompression...so my response will be to reduce my deco" .

It's inconsistent with Darwin's law. :)
 
I'm actually planning to keep 30min max @60m, and those extra 20min is the contingency with the max equipment I will ever carry on.

But the amount of gas needed to complete a known Deco profile in case of a contingency makes me swap to VPM-B normal setting and still have gas to stay a little longer and not run into the max CNS.

Your suggested strategy is wrong.

You are suggesting amending an algorithm to meet your gas supply.

You should amend your gas supply to meet your algorithm.

I can't explain it any simpler than that.
 
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