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THe helpdesk rout is a good way to gain training and experience. However if you want to get into some interesting stuff, download yourself a copy of the latest Linux distro (Mandrake 9.x is a good start). If you are willing to put in the effort to learn there are plenty of free online tutorials and CBT's to get you started.. There is also a huge opensource community who is always willing to help out a newbie. Without prior experience it won't really help you now, but it will be a great advantage over simple M$ people later on. Feel free to PM me if you need more specifics. I've been in the industry for about 13years now.
 
Some companies weed out based on education requirements; however, it is my experience that when companies are looking for someone, what really gets them through the door is previous experience.

I work for a large computer semi-conductor manufacturer. Due to the policy of the company, I cannot say who I work for, If you want to know PM me I will tell you.

I have been responsible for screening, interview, and hiring decisions for over twenty people for the company that I work for. The perspective here is mine, and does not represent the views of my company or its stockholders.

To give you a little background about myself.

I came from a Law enforcement/Military background into computers. Currently I hold the position of Architect and Engineer; this does not really mean much considering I get to make up my own title. I do software development, user experience, hardware, interface design, security analysis, networking, and systems administration. I do not have a Degree, I am not A+ certified, I am not Cisco Certified, and I have also not paid Microsoft for the right to limit my opportunities.

How do they get to me?
People submit résumé’s through various sources, Monster.com; our company website; to individuals working for the company; etc. If a resume is submitted by a employee of the company to the hiring manager, then they have already passed the original screening and will most likely get an interview. I would say over 90% of the people with an employee recommendations get hired from the outside. Its not what you know, its who you know. Those people who were not fortunate enough to know someone with the company get screened based on education and experience, and previous “like” experience to the job that is to be done.

What do I look for?
When I hire people for $50,000 - $200,000 a year jobs, I do not look at their paper education, I do not look at their certifications. A MCSE is about as useful to me as toilet paper. A MCSE says that you can read, Linux/UN!X says that you can think. The number one thing I look for is personality. Will the person fit into the group? The next thing I look for is desire, why is this person getting into computers? Is it for the money of the love of computers? And the last thing I look at is Honesty. I am a pretty technical person; I can tell when someone is trying to BS me. I have interviewed people who played keyword bingo; it is easy to weed people out who do that. If someone answered a question with "I don't know, but I can find out" then the question was answered correctly, if they tried to answer it with some wrong information and for the most part got it right, then they failed the question.

I have hired a person who was an Aquarium diver because she had a positive, team attitude; I felt she could learn quickly, and she was into computer out of passion not out of dollar signs.

A good company will look at you, and be able to determine your worth to the company based on the interview. This is assuming that you made it to the interview. The best way to get experience for IT related work was mentioned before; you need to get into a position that does not require lots of previous experience, help desk is where I got started. A couple classes of Quality Assurance procedures at a community college will open MANY a door. This is a commonly overlooked entry area. Many large companies offer intern positions if you want to go back to school. Some companies will guarantee hire if you have worked for them for three years and you graduate with a B or Higher grade average. If you do programming, and your looking for an in with large Corporations such as IBM, Intel, etc. (Not M$) Doing volunteer work in the Open source community is a BIG bonus towards you. Many companies secretly support Open source but because of fear of Microsoft do not advertise.

Another bit of advice is “How bad to you want the Job?” People who come in that are desperate, cause us to look someplace else. The whole adage, it’s easier to find a job if you have a job is true. Someone with a spotty work history sends of flags of warning.
Some questions that I ask are:
What do you see yourself doing in five years?
Where would you like to be in five years?
What are your goals in life?
Why do you want to work for us?
What can you contribute to the company?

There are many more, I will not bore you with them. Every single interview that I have done has had some permutation of those five questions.

If you have any questions, PM me.


Hope this helps.

:D
 
Great post, couldn't have said it better myself. You are the pinicle of management, and I would guess your employees are quite happy working for you. Unfortunatly most managers are not so open/technically minded and want to see a piece of paper. As sad/unfortunate as it is, that's the way of things these day. However as more technical people move into management, this problem should lessen.

Windwalker once bubbled...
Some companies weed out based on education requirements; however, it is my experience that when companies are looking for someone, what really gets them through the door is previous experience.

I work for a large computer semi-conductor manufacturer. Due to the policy of the company, I cannot say who I work for, If you want to know PM me I will tell you.

I have been responsible for screening, interview, and hiring decisions for over twenty people for the company that I work for. The perspective here is mine, and does not represent the views of my company or its stockholders.

To give you a little background about myself.

I came from a Law enforcement/Military background into computers. Currently I hold the position of Architect and Engineer; this does not really mean much considering I get to make up my own title. I do software development, user experience, hardware, interface design, security analysis, networking, and systems administration. I do not have a Degree, I am not A+ certified, I am not Cisco Certified, and I have also not paid Microsoft for the right to limit my opportunities.

How do they get to me?
People submit résumé’s through various sources, Monster.com; our company website; to individuals working for the company; etc. If a resume is submitted by a employee of the company to the hiring manager, then they have already passed the original screening and will most likely get an interview. I would say over 90% of the people with an employee recommendations get hired from the outside. Its not what you know, its who you know. Those people who were not fortunate enough to know someone with the company get screened based on education and experience, and previous “like” experience to the job that is to be done.

What do I look for?
When I hire people for $50,000 - $200,000 a year jobs, I do not look at their paper education, I do not look at their certifications. A MCSE is about as useful to me as toilet paper. A MCSE says that you can read, Linux/UN!X says that you can think. The number one thing I look for is personality. Will the person fit into the group? The next thing I look for is desire, why is this person getting into computers? Is it for the money of the love of computers? And the last thing I look at is Honesty. I am a pretty technical person; I can tell when someone is trying to BS me. I have interviewed people who played keyword bingo; it is easy to weed people out who do that. If someone answered a question with "I don't know, but I can find out" then the question was answered correctly, if they tried to answer it with some wrong information and for the most part got it right, then they failed the question.

I have hired a person who was an Aquarium diver because she had a positive, team attitude; I felt she could learn quickly, and she was into computer out of passion not out of dollar signs.

A good company will look at you, and be able to determine your worth to the company based on the interview. This is assuming that you made it to the interview. The best way to get experience for IT related work was mentioned before; you need to get into a position that does not require lots of previous experience, help desk is where I got started. A couple classes of Quality Assurance procedures at a community college will open MANY a door. This is a commonly overlooked entry area. Many large companies offer intern positions if you want to go back to school. Some companies will guarantee hire if you have worked for them for three years and you graduate with a B or Higher grade average. If you do programming, and your looking for an in with large Corporations such as IBM, Intel, etc. (Not M$) Doing volunteer work in the Open source community is a BIG bonus towards you. Many companies secretly support Open source but because of fear of Microsoft do not advertise.

Another bit of advice is “How bad to you want the Job?” People who come in that are desperate, cause us to look someplace else. The whole adage, it’s easier to find a job if you have a job is true. Someone with a spotty work history sends of flags of warning.
Some questions that I ask are:
What do you see yourself doing in five years?
Where would you like to be in five years?
What are your goals in life?
Why do you want to work for us?
What can you contribute to the company?

There are many more, I will not bore you with them. Every single interview that I have done has had some permutation of those five questions.

If you have any questions, PM me.


Hope this helps.

:D
 
Great post, couldn't have said it better myself. You are the pinicle of management, and I would guess your employees are quite happy working for you. Unfortunatly most managers are not so open/technically minded and want to see a piece of paper. As sad/unfortunate as it is, that's the way of things these day. However as more technical people move into management, this problem should lessen

One would hope! :D Actually what I fear is still happening is people who are good are promoted until they are no longer effective. They might make a Great Engineer but a BAD manager. I have seen that in the company I work for. I have been fortunate enough to have excellent management over me though.
 
Windwalker once bubbled...


One would hope! :D Actually what I fear is still happening is people who are good are promoted until they are no longer effective. They might make a Great Engineer but a BAD manager. I have seen that in the company I work for. I have been fortunate enough to have excellent management over me though.
Agreed, good technical skills and good people skills are a rare find, fortunatly people skills are often easier to teach to a techie than the other way around :-) I'm fortunate in that I've had the same boss for about 3 years now and I have no complaints. He's and old school techie that moved to management and is a real pleasure to work for.
 
I am in the same boat. My Supervisor is a Techie who has moved into management. He is awesome to work for. He does not Micromanage or anything. Its a pleasure to work for good people. (but it really sucks when you get the pointy haired variety)
 
Ok Here's my take on the IT Jobs.

Don't walk but run as fast and as hard from anyone who nudges you in that direction.

I started in the Army with electronics then moved on to PC's. I have worked in both the Mfg side (custom elec assy, boards and cables to include mfg of PC's) and the support side. I've been supporting PC's since '92 and electronics in general since '86.I currently work for one of the largest Computer Mfg's in the world. I support all issues, Networking, Installation images, OS/SW and of course HW failures and compatability issues. I have all the current cert you would care to have A+, MS cert's, Novel certs and a few others.

I wouldn't wish this on anyone I cared for or loved. IT used to be a good thing to get into 4-5 yrs ago but the current trend is that most CO's are outsourcing there IT support. I can't tell you how many people I've known who got phased out either through a change in the HW/OS platform or just there IT staffing went contract. Alot of the jobs are moving off shore and to Canada. The other half of it is that the Jobs here are being filled via visa's. They can bring someone from oversea's for a time and have them work/train here in the US but still pay them the same wage they get paid back home in India or where ever there from.

Nearly 5 percent of IT jobs in the U.S. have evaporated in the last year, according to the Information Technology Association of America. What’s worse, many of those jobs are gone forever as more corporations outsource computer functions to firms overseas

http://www.msnbc.com/news/931060.asp?0dm=B237B

If you like abuse, no job security then this may be the field for you. A+, MCSE etc etc.. are only good for getting you in the door for entry level work. Once your in be prepaired to work and spend lots of time staying current. OS changes every 2-3 yrs and HW changes every 3-6 months. Also be prepaired to work as a consultant for awhile. This will require travel and possible no bennies, working on someone elses IT project then finding another job. Once your in the door you need to stay as flexable as you can so you don't get traped into specific HW or SW as they get outdated.

If you want I've got loads of stories and nightmare customers. Some are good for laughs but most are just nightmares that were user induced. I'm not talking about the small Mom and Pop stuff I'm talk'en full on deployments by major Companies with guys that make 6 figgure's plus. People who couldn't plan a deployment, couldn't meet dead lines and not enough budget. All this to only to find out something didn't play well with something else and now won't work for what they need it to.

This may sound fun for awhile but it gets old real quick. I have access to all the latest toys and build networks, Servers or Workstations as I need them to work issues. At one time I wired the house with Cat5 and setup a domain and thought about building an ISP and exchange not to mention hosting my own web site. Now I can't stand to even play video games. Wait till your neighbors find out what you do. They'll come for you in the evening like mindless zombies cuz they can't get on AOL or there kids video game won't load.



This is the world of IT if your smart you'll look at something else.

Good Luck,
Geek
 
I found another good article about the state of Jobs here in the US for the Tech Community

http://www.msnbc.com/news/947478.asp?0dm=s226k

By 2004, predicts another Gartner study, more than 40 percent of companies will have already shipped some tech-related work overseas or will be testing the idea. Many of those jobs are moving to India, where costs for employee salaries can be significantly reduced. Other countries stand to benefit as well. And, while the tech industry seems to be the most widely discussed thus far, other white collar types of jobs are also at risk.
 
GeekDiver once bubbled...
Ok Here's my take on the IT Jobs.
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Now I can't stand to even play video games. Wait till your neighbors find out what you do. They'll come for you in the evening like mindless zombies cuz they can't get on AOL or there kids video game won't load.

This is the world of IT if your smart you'll look at something else.

Good Luck,
Geek

Dude! Sounds like Burnout! :D

Your right. I wouldn't go into IT either. They are finding that call support can be done in places like Ireland (High education, low wages) a lot cheaper then the US. Also, Most software development is being moved to China and India as they also have Higher education and a company can hire five Chinese or Indian employee's for the cost of one American employee. We are in the process of doing that now. Because of various federal regulations, we are being forced to move out of the US. Although that is not what the CEO's want to do. For example, the regulations regarding certian chip exports are in effect. We have to produce the chips off shore to ship off shore because they exceed certian "Munitions" export regulations. We can still import these chips, so the American public pays twice, sometimes four times for the cost of the chip pre-production, shipping, post production, and shipping.

So, support, manufacturing, and development are mostly all moving off shore.
When it comes to being on top; the most important thing is Education.. the USA is failing; the next is cost of work force, again Americans are expensive to employ; and the last is local resources (Infrastructure) cost of water, electricity, and transportation, America is expensive.

I would say, For the company that I work for, there are two American born people in my group. Of which, the people who were not born in America, generally have at least two degree's and are insanely smart.

I tell ya.. America is in trouble. Not just the Tech industry. I think its because we keep making Education a low priority. :(
 

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